Penn State / Maryland

BillyMac

mutantducky wrote
It looks like an illegal screen, but quite minor so a no call probably was in order.

This, "quite minor", "illegal screen", ended up with two players on the floor. If nothing illegal had happened, i.e. all incidental contact, then one could pass on this play, but once one decides that something illegal happened, even if it's a "quite minor", "illegal", action, then the resulting pile of players on the floor requires a whistle, and a call.

Camron Rust

Great call.

Screener illegally tripped the defender and took him out of the play.

mutantducky

There is no doubt in my mind the ref would have passed on the illegal screen had the players not went down. Had the defender simply moved out of the way which he could have done, and played D it would have been a no-call. From what I see, the MD player is clearly grabbing the screener and causing the players to fall. Both of them are at fault here. Yeah, maybe a no-call would have been in order but like you say that doesn't really fall under the incidental variety.
It really was a no-win situation for the ref.
The Penn St coach needs to chill.

ref3808

My compliments to the official. I watched the clip twice before I saw the trip. He had it all the way in real time. Good call.

And by the way coach, I don't believe that's the worst call you've ever seen.

BillyMac

ref3808 wrote
And by the way coach, I don't believe that's the worst call you've ever seen.

You've got that right. At some point in his career he must have seen Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. officiate.

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No-call for me.

crosscountry55

Okay, okay. The more I'm reading and watching, the more I'm realizing that I'm probably wrong. I was probably over-influenced by the PSU-written article.

But I'm only going to say it once. 😉

If the Big 10 Coordinator of Officials sees it the same way all of you do, this "young" official who "doesn't have a feel for the game" will probably have a really nice schedule next year. Took a very patient whistle and big cajones to make that call.

I do agree that the play needs a whistle. I admit I probably would have missed the "step" and instead seen to hold. Talk about a lesson in seeing the whole play. Damn.

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crosscountry55 wrote
If the Big 10 Coordinator of Officials sees it the same way all of you do, this "young" official who "doesn't have a feel for the game" will probably have a really nice schedule next year. Took a very patient whistle and big cajones to make that call.

I met Kelly at camp last year. If his 100 D1 games in the past two years are any indication, I think he's probably gonna keep getting games. If not he can always go back to the D League and start working NBA.

mutantducky

just asking

would anyone call a double foul here?

just another ref

mutantducky wrote
just asking

would anyone call a double foul here?

No. The trip makes the ball is dead. The subsequent contact is ignored unless intentional or flagrant. It was neither.

MathReferee

This was a good call. Not sure what the article was talking about when it said he went away from the screen.

Adam

I absolutely love this call!

Adam

mutantducky wrote
just asking

would anyone call a double foul here?

Nope, by rule, the ball is dead when the screener steps on the defender's foot. The grab is just a player protecting himself following illegal contact.

I hope the notice for Chamber's fine includes a short note that the official was absolutely correct.

I wish the Big Ten would come out and publicly announce the official made a great call. We see too many times when they announce an official got it wrong, or we get the "technically the right call" garbage. This is an amazing call.

twocentsworth

Rich wrote
Gonna cost the PSU coach some money.

http://pennstate.scout.com/story/1515571-penn-state-s-chambers-blasts-b1g-officials

Maybe someone can embed the play...timing is in the article. I saw it on TV last night as it happened...

You want to know when the conference agrees with the coach that a poor call was made but don't want to admit it?.....they fine the SCHOOL and not the COACH!

Per ESPN.com
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STATE COLLEGE, PA. -- The Big Ten Conference has fined Penn State $10,000 for comments made by head coach Patrick Chambers after a loss to Maryland on Saturday night.

Chambers was upset after an offensive foul was called on Nittany Lions center Jordan Dickerson with 1:50 left and Penn State trailing 70-68. Dickerson was trying to set a screen when he was pulled to the floor by Maryland forward Evan Smotrycz. It was Dickerson's fifth foul, so he left the game. Maryland won 76-73.

Chambers called it "the worst call that I've ever seen in my entire life". The Big Ten office says he violated the conference's sportsmanship policy.

Rich

twocentsworth wrote
You want to know when the conference agrees with the coach that a poor call was made but don't want to admit it?.....they fine the SCHOOL and not the COACH!

Per ESPN.com
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STATE COLLEGE, PA. -- The Big Ten Conference has fined Penn State $10,000 for comments made by head coach Patrick Chambers after a loss to Maryland on Saturday night.

Chambers was upset after an offensive foul was called on Nittany Lions center Jordan Dickerson with 1:50 left and Penn State trailing 70-68. Dickerson was trying to set a screen when he was pulled to the floor by Maryland forward Evan Smotrycz. It was Dickerson's fifth foul, so he left the game. Maryland won 76-73.

Chambers called it "the worst call that I've ever seen in my entire life". The Big Ten office says he violated the conference's sportsmanship policy.

It's standard practice in the Big Ten to (1) fine the school and (2) not comment on the call. This tells me absolutely NOTHING.

ballgame99

Great call! The coach made a comment about how the defender wasn't even involved in the play, etc. You are right coach, because he got taken out by a huge illegal screen!!

SC Official

This is a great call. I only wish the B1G would come out and publicly laud the official for getting it right while shaming the coach and idiotic "analysts" in the process. But, I suppose that's too much to ask.

walt

I like the call. You've got two bodies on the floor with no ability to participate in the next basketball play. Had to have a call and I like the call he made.