Baylor @ OK State Block/Charge (Video)

APG

I have a charge on the play...defender is legal...offensive player tries to slip past the defender but fails.

MechanicGuy

Tough to see where the contact with defender was, looked like it might have been almost knee-to-knee.

But the travel is almost as easy as they get. Ridiculous to count that bucket.

Rich

just another ref wrote
Holding the ball in two hands with the left foot on the floor outside the 3 point line.

Barely...I won't disagree. Real time, realistically, I'd probably consider the gather to be in the air, which makes the right foot the pivot.

Rich

MechanicGuy wrote
Tough to see where the contact with defender was, looked like it might have been almost knee-to-knee.

But the travel is almost as easy as they get. Ridiculous to count that bucket.

Easy? That's a joke.

bainsey

AremRed wrote
I have a charge on this play. Don't see what the defender did wrong.

Nor I. PC for me.

What exactly was the call, though? The official signaled block, then pointed the other way? Announcer said "charge?"

MechanicGuy

Rich wrote
Easy? That's a joke.

Maybe my characterization was too strong. Its closer than I thought at first.

Still a travel though 😀

MechanicGuy

bainsey wrote
Nor I. PC for me.

What exactly was the call, though? The official signaled block, then pointed the other way? Announcer said "charge?"

I don't think he pointed the other way. He was merely counting the basket.

APG

bainsey wrote
Nor I. PC for me.

What exactly was the call, though? The official signaled block, then pointed the other way? Announcer said "charge?"

Block, count the basket

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bainsey wrote
What exactly was the call, though? The official signaled block, then pointed the other way? Announcer said "charge?"

Block, count the basket. This is exactly why I changed my "and 1" mechanic last year, another official pointed out that it was too similar to an offensive foul signal.

JugglingReferee

I do believe I see a travel, but not before a PC.

To call a block and count the basket is incorrect imho.

HawkeyeCubP

bainsey wrote
Nor I. PC for me.

What exactly was the call, though? The official signaled block, then pointed the other way? Announcer said "charge?"

He was using something similar to the NCAA-W score-the-goal signal (which I see a lot of men's officials use), as opposed to the by-the-book NCAA-M signal (not sure if I've actually ever seen someone use it outside of a HS or juco game) for that.

Adam

I wouldn't have been able to get that travel in real time.

I've got a PC foul.

If he calls a block, with the NCAA change to "upward motion" being the start of the shooting motion, this would be a foul before the shot.

Raymond

Adam wrote
I wouldn't have been able to get that travel in real time.

I've got a PC foul.

If he calls a block, with the NCAA change to "upward motion" being the start of the shooting motion, this would be a foul before the shot.

I think the "travel" posts are in reference to the fact that by the time he released the shot he had traveled, so we shouldn't be counting the basket.

just another ref

BadNewsRef wrote
I think the "travel" posts are in reference to the fact that by the time he released the shot he had traveled, so we shouldn't be counting the basket.

That's what I was saying. From the angle we have, it's difficult to make the block/charge call. With what we have, I thought it was a charge. But, as Cameron says, if the contact is mainly on the leg, it's a block.

Adam

just another ref wrote
That's what I was saying. From the angle we have, it's difficult to make the block/charge call. With what we have, I thought it was a charge. But, as Cameron says, if the contact is mainly on the leg, it's a block.

That is not what the rule says. Nowhere does it say contact against a defender's leg is a block.

just another ref

Adam wrote
That is not what the rule says. Nowhere does it say contact against a defender's leg is a block.

10-6-1: A player shall not.......impede the progress of an opponent by extending arm(s), shoulder(s), hip(s), or knee(s)........

Adam

just another ref wrote
10-6-1: A player shall not.......impede the progress of an opponent by extending arm(s), shoulder(s), hip(s), or knee(s)........

And contact on a leg does not equal an extended knee.

Camron Rust

Adam wrote
And contact on a leg does not equal an extended knee.

It doesn't but it is the same effect. If the leg is outside the torso, it is not legal any more than the hip or the knee. Extending the leg comes with extending the knee unless the have some badly broken bones.

Raymond

Camron Rust wrote
It doesn't but it is the same effect. If the leg is outside the torso, it is not legal any more than the hip or the knee. Extending the leg comes with extending the knee unless the have some badly broken bones.

I called an illegal screen for that reason last week and HC was unhappy because he felt being stationary satisfied legality.

Rich

BadNewsRef wrote
I called an illegal screen for that reason last week and HC was unhappy because he felt being stationary satisfied legality.

Me too. Player went right over the knee.

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