Kentucky women's coach ejected (Video)

Nevadaref

I don't see any action warranting a second technical, but I can't hear the coach's words to the Lead. The first T is clear.

HokiePaul

Nevadaref wrote
I don't see any action warranting a second technical, but I can't hear the coach's words to the Lead. The first T is clear.

That's kind of what I thought ... at least based on what sort of leeway college coaches are usually given. It seems after an initial T, if the coach stays put at their bench, they are usually given an opportunity to cool down (or a chance for assistants to step in and calm the coach down) before a second T.

But something could have been said. Although Coach seemed fine with being tossed and promptly left. Maybe he was looking for an early exit.

Remington

HokiePaul wrote
That's kind of what I thought ... at least based on what sort of leeway college coaches are usually given. It seems after an initial T, if the coach stays put at their bench, they are usually given an opportunity to cool down (or a chance for assistants to step in and calm the coach down) before a second T.

But something could have been said. Although Coach seemed fine with being tossed and promptly left. Maybe he was looking for an early exit.

I work on the men's side (not D1), but we are supervised by a prominent D1 official and we wouldn't give the 2nd T for that (unless the language was very bad and personally directed). I'd let the coach hang himself a little more. It is likely the conference and/or supervisor have told them to take care of business and they simply followed instruction. I also work a JUCO and NAIA league that would want the 2nd T issued that quick so it may be a when in Rome scenario.....

johnny d

Based on how the coach reacts after given the second T, leaving without arguing or saying another word, I don't understand why people here would think the second T was too fast or undeserved. Given his reaction, the coach knows he was way out of line for whatever was said. Most of the time when coaches are Td and tossed, they will spend time arguing that one if not both Ts were undeserved. Given that the coach doesn't complain about either T speaks volumes as to their merit.

Pantherdreams

Difficult to judge as I'm not pirvy to words, and the coach doesn't seem shocked by either.

That being said 2nd T seems quick here. He has just been given the first. He doesn't chase down an official or run the sideline or strip just turns and there is an official there and seems to continue downt he general vein he had started before the first official T'd and walked away.

Not saying he didn't deserve. In these situations in most college games though I see the coach given more room and time. I routinely see plays when watching college games where with or without T's coaches after the official walks away coaches are still loudly complaining.

ballgame99

The second T came from the official Coach was upset at, so his tantrum got the first T from the Trail, and when he gestures to the Lead it was more than likely accompanied by a choice phrase.

walt

The lead is coming out and gives him the stop sign and he gestures at almost the same time and says something to the lead which gets the 2nd T right away. It is quick but I thought it was justified. The coaches (are supposed to) know when they see the stop sign the line has been drawn.

SC Official

I don't understand the argument that the second was "too quick." The first T is the warning for a coach, and if he wants to continue, then the game can continue without him. I don't believe a coach should be allowed to "get his money's worth" when he gets his first T.

The ejecting official was Bryan Enterline–I'm sure he knew what he was doing.

Rich

johnny d wrote
Based on how the coach reacts after given the second T, leaving without arguing or saying another word, I don't understand why people here would think the second T was too fast or undeserved. Given his reaction, the coach knows he was way out of line for whatever was said. Most of the time when coaches are Td and tossed, they will spend time arguing that one if not both Ts were undeserved. Given that the coach doesn't complain about either T speaks volumes as to their merit.

This. I'm amazed that people would make judgments without knowing what was said.

Actually, I'm not.

Nevadaref

walt wrote
The lead is coming out and gives him the stop sign and he gestures at almost the same time and says something to the lead which gets the 2nd T right away. It is quick but I thought it was justified. The coaches (are supposed to) know when they see the stop sign the line has been drawn.

The question that must be asked is whether the second T would have occurred had the Lead stayed away from the coach. The Trail just whacked him. The coach was upset by the Lead's no-call. As the Lead, I would have been satisfied that my partner backed me and handled the situation. I would have walked to the opposite side of the FT lane. I'm certainly not going directly over to coach. Give him some time to cool down while the 2FT are administered.

bballref3966

Do any of you believe that male coaches are more likely to lay into male officials than female officials, and thus more prone to getting technical fouls from male officials?

Raymond

bballref3966 wrote
Do any of you believe that male coaches are more likely to lay into male officials than female officials, and thus more prone to getting technical fouls from male officials?

I have found female coaches are more likely to confront me because they are already used to dealing with men bigger than them. That was back in the days when I used to still do girls games in high school.

Nevadaref

BadNewsRef wrote
I have found female coaches are more likely to confront me because they are already used to dealing with men better than them. That was back in the days when I used to still do girls games in high school.

"...with men better than them" or did you mean better than women?

Raymond

Nevadaref wrote
"...with men better than them" or did you mean better than women?

😮. Fixed it: bigger than them

bob jenkins

BadNewsRef wrote
:o. Fixed it: bigger than them

Did you mean bigger than THEM or bigger than THEY? (I think the latter)

Rich

bballref3966 wrote
Do any of you believe that male coaches are more likely to lay into male officials than female officials, and thus more prone to getting technical fouls from male officials?

Absolutely.

MD Longhorn

I think 99% of us would not issue the second T unless there was something verbal. Given that these guys are where they are --- I think that leads to the obviously conclusion that there WAS something verbal. The assumption by many above that there was not, and the implication that therefore the officials were too quick on the second T --- well that's kind of obtuse, don't you think?

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MD Longhorn wrote
I think 99% of us would not issue the second T unless there was something verbal.

The coach got the 2nd T for not stopping his tantrum, he continues shaking his fists at the Lead at 10 seconds. Don't think it was solely verbal, there was plenty of body language to toss him.

Raymond

AremRed wrote
The coach got the 2nd T for not stopping his tantrum, he continues shaking his fists at the Lead at 10 seconds. Don't think it was solely verbal, there was plenty of body language to toss him.

The first T was for the tantrum. The second T is for whatever is said directly to the Lead. In my experiences that sentence usually is something along the lines of "call the f*cking foul".

HawkeyeCubP

1. Enterline's a top-10 women's official, so I'm confident it was warranted, and
2. it's possible (and likely) there were warnings/discussions about coach's behavior/conduct prior to this