No call or foul? (Clips)

JRutledge

jeremy341a wrote
I understand that in the NBA that more contact is allowed on these types of plays. I am expressing my opinion on these plays as if they took place at the High school level.

That would be incorrect. The NBA has better athletes. But to suggest that the NBA allows more contact is completely incorrect. NBA officials protect the shooter a lot better than other levels in my and other's opinion.

Also most experienced officials do not spend their time talking about what is different at each levels. I call the exact same game at the college level that I call at the HS level. I would call these plays at the HS level the same as I would in the college level.

Peace

jeremy341a

JRutledge wrote
That would be incorrect. The NBA has better athletes. But to suggest that the NBA allows more contact is completely incorrect. NBA officials protect the shooter a lot better than other levels in my and other's opinion.

Also most experienced officials do not spend their time talking about what is different at each levels. I call the exact same game at the college level that I call at the HS level. I would call these plays at the HS level the same as I would in the college level.

Peace

I was referencing the plays at the basket like these and I stand by my statement that the NBA allows more contact on these plays then you typically see at high school level at least in my area.

jeremy341a

What if the player is dribbling a ball at the top of the key. The defender charges him and slaps the ball away. A moment later the defender on the same path that allowed him to move in quickly enough to knock the ball away then runs into the offensive player and knock him down. Are we to also ignore this contact because the ball was already knocked away making everything that happens after incidental?

jeremy341a

JetMetFan wrote
On play #4 you can contend the defender actually made it to the "spot" (in the air) first. I can see calling the foul on the defender if he jumped toward the shooter, but he didn't. If he did the shooter would've fallen backwards. Now, I might be more sensitive to the head contact with younger players but with older BV players probably not. It would be considered more "the price of doing business" against a player who is nearly a foot taller. My attitude towards the head contact in NCAAW/GV (for me) game would be different but that's because we've been told how to handle those situations.

I completely understand why no fouls were called on the screens by Ginóbili and Splitter, especially when remembering this past season's NCAAW breakout video on screening. The part of the rule D. Williamson really emphasized when talking about screens was did the screener "contact and delay" the opponent. Ginóbili and Splitter (#1) made contact on Allen but didn't delay him from getting where he wanted to go. Splitter's second screen did both, though not initially, but Allen stopped trying to get around it. If he keeps making the attempt then there's a chance Splitter is called for a foul.

I don't think you can say the defender beat him into the spot as he most definitely moved into his path after he began his upward motion. He would have only fallen backwards if the defender was in front of him to begin with.

I am not including the contact to the head as to why I believe this is a foul. However I would like to hear why you feel that it should not be one.

JRutledge

jeremy341a wrote
I was referencing the plays at the basket like these and I stand by my statement that the NBA allows more contact on these plays then you typically see at high school level at least in my area.

These would not be seen as good calls for bigger school varsity boy's basketball.

Again, not a hard-fast rule as was stated, but I saw nothing that was egregious or over the top that had to be called.

Peace

Sharpshooternes

BryanV21 wrote
I would deem the contact between the players' legs to be incidental. The leg contact had nothing to do with the shooting motion of A1.

And I'll reiterate a favorite question around here... what did the defender do wrong?

Defender is moving toward the shooter.

JetMetFan

jeremy341a wrote
I am not including the contact to the head as to why I believe this is a foul. However I would like to hear why you feel that it should not be one.

Given the way the play progressed I don't feel the contact put the shooter at a disadvantage.

BryanV21

Sharpshooternes wrote
Defender is moving toward the shooter.

Umm... ok, I guess. But that still does not convince me that no-calling this play is wrong.

jeremy341a

9:45 remaking in 1st quarter of clippers/thunder game there was a block called a foul in a similar play to these. Could someone post the video so we can discuss this play?

Sharpshooternes

BryanV21 wrote
Umm... ok, I guess. But that still does not convince me that no-calling this play is wrong.

Me neither but if the defender were to be called for anything on this play it would be for moving forward into the shooter.

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