10 seconds back court violation?

Eastshire

Rich wrote
I'm stunned that people think their attention has to be *so* undivided.

How do you ever get an illegal screen in your primary when you're on the ball? I mean, every split second you're watching that screen you're not watching the ball handler.

There's a difference between seeing something in your primary with your peripheral vision and refocusing your eyes from 10-20 feet range to the 80+ feet range to look away from your primary.

You're abandoning your primary to fish in your partner's pond.

bob jenkins wrote
I think most clocks are on the walls behind (and to the side of) each basket. So, if you're L, on the endline, the clock is usually / often in your line of sight -- it's just "beyond" where you're usually focused.

And, frequently, the players in the FC aren't really doing anything in terms of denying the ball / setting screens until the ball gets to the FC.

So, you have time to glance at the clock.

Maybe it's different in 3 man, but when 10 seconds is a possibility it usually means I'm pretty busy watching off ball for screens and holds as the FC players are desperately trying to get open for a pass. I'm also rarely on the endline in this situation.

Raymond

Most every game I work, there is a clock at both ends of the gym. Not very hard to see the clock and my primary at the same time. 🙄

The above is a just a statement of fact. Not indicative of what I would or wouldn't in the various situations being discussed.

deecee

I wonder if you guys know how misleading your peripheral vision can actually be? If as an official you *only* know whats going on in your primary at all times that must be very limiting IMO. Plus there are times that the clock isnt started, or the shot clock may be reset by mistake, and having an excuse that, "oh that's my partners primary" just doesn't cut it.

APG

I'm not necessarily advocating calling a violation on this play as the off official. I'm only arguing the point that an off-official wouldn't be able to look at this clock in this situation.

Rich

APG wrote
I'm not necessarily advocating calling a violation on this play as the off official. I'm only arguing the point that an off-official wouldn't be able to look at this clock in this situation.

Ditto.

Eastshire

APG wrote
I'm not necessarily advocating calling a violation on this play as the off official. I'm only arguing the point that an off-official wouldn't be able to look at this clock in this situation.

I'm only arguing that an off-official can't look at the clock in a sufficient manner to call a violation.

Raymond

Eastshire wrote
I'm only arguing that an off-official can't look at the clock in a sufficient manner to call a violation.

A good off-official will check the clock after a made basket or a whistle. Next level officiating is clock-awareness.

MD Longhorn

Fair enough. I'm not saying that glancing at the clock is not possible. I'm saying that I can't imagine the need or desire to do so in lieu of just about anything else I might primarily or secondarily be responsible for.

JetMetFan

Here's a ten-second call from the C, with yours truly starring as the man with the whistle. I even got fancy and superimposed a clock on the screen.

deecee

IMO, that was to close for "help" in HS, was this college? And does college use the clock, not the count?

JetMetFan

deecee wrote
IMO, that was to close for "help" in HS, was this college? And does college use the clock, not the count?

Yes, NCAAW D3.

And yes, the clock is used which is why I ended up making the call while the T was watching the ball handler and defender.

bob jenkins

JetMetFan wrote
Yes, NCAAW D3.

And yes, the clock is used which is why I ended up making the call while the T was watching the ball handler and defender.

And C (and as a last resort L) can specifically get this in NCAAW.

JetMetFan

bob jenkins wrote
And C (and as a last resort L) can specifically get this in NCAAW.

What made it even more fun was the shot-clocks were having issues. There were actually four in use. Two on top of the backboards and two on the wall to the left at each end. The ones on the backboards kept sticking (e.g., they'd show "25" then "22" but wouldn't appear to be running in between). One of the backups stuck as well, despite the fact it was hard-wired. My R gave us simple advice: If you see two different times on the shot-clocks at one end, go with the one that's lower.

bainsey

JetMetFan wrote
Yes, NCAAW D3.

I only watch D-I women's, so I was under the assumption the ten-second violation was completely gone from NCAA Women's. Is that just a D-I thing, or does D-II have that violation?

APG

bainsey wrote
I only watch D-I women's, so I was under the assumption the ten-second violation was completely gone from NCAA Women's. Is that just a D-I thing, or does D-II have that violation?

NCAA-W ADDED the 10 second violation this year.

deecee

bainsey wrote
I only watch D-I women's, so I was under the assumption the ten-second violation was completely gone from NCAA Women's. Is that just a D-I thing, or does D-II have that violation?

So you're the one viewer they get on their nielsen ratings?

johnny d

JetMetFan wrote
What made it even more fun was the shot-clocks were having issues. There were actually four in use. Two on top of the backboards and two on the wall to the left at each end. The ones on the backboards kept sticking (e.g., they'd show "25" then "22" but wouldn't appear to be running in between). One of the backups stuck as well, despite the fact it was hard-wired. My R gave us simple advice: If you see two different times on the shot-clocks at one end, go with the one that's lower.

I would have asked them to turn one set off, either the on the backboards or the one on the wall. It sucks that the sticking problem was occurring, but I think it got compounded by having two clocks on each end that could potentially have different times. I would rather have one set and deal with those problems than try to reconcile two sets on each end.

johnny d

bainsey wrote
I only watch D-I women's, so I was under the assumption the ten-second violation was completely gone from NCAA Women's. Is that just a D-I thing, or does D-II have that violation?

Apparently you are just a casual observer. Thanks for being a fan.

Raymond

JetMetFan wrote
Here's a ten-second call from the C, with yours truly starring as the man with the whistle. I even got fancy and superimposed a clock on the screen....

You trying to make APG jealous? LOL

JetMetFan

BadNewsRef wrote
You trying to make APG jealous? LOL

I'm a dangerous man when I have time on my hands 🙂

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