ASA Should Be Ashamed

shagpal

I think demonizing the ASA is giving it too much credit.

The ASA has really over-managed some areas, and under-managed others. That doesn't make it evil, it makes it inept.

IRISHMAFIA wrote
His point is to Satanize ASA on any platform he can find, but I really don't believe he knows or understands what ASA's function or mission statement or responsibility is.

But does anyone see the irony in the way he has turned the thread?

shagpal

Compliance is gained by enforcement. Controlling quality sometimes requires removing irregularities. Doing something makes sense, because doing nothing isn't helping matters. Leadership needs to come from the top down when leadership fails from the bottom up.

MD Longhorn wrote
Seems to me you've created this role for ASA that you expect them to fulfill and then blame them for not fulfilling it. There is no such entity that has the amount of control you seem to expect them to have. It is not ASA's problem when some random umpire wears it's gear to non-ASA events - and expecting them to be able to police that is honestly quite foolish.

MD Longhorn

shagpal wrote
because doing nothing isn't helping matters.

There is nothing here that needs to be helped.

shagpal

Really?

OK, I'm coming from a different viewpoint then. If you see no problem, then if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I see it different tho.

MD Longhorn wrote
There is nothing here that needs to be helped.

TexasUmp

Wow! This has ranged widely. I have been a member of this forum for a long time, read it often, but have never posted before - so here goes nothing.
The first thing I ask my assigner is "WHAT UNIFORM FOR THIS EVENT?" I certainly wouldn't wear just anything I feel like. Doug

CecilOne

shagpal wrote
Are you his guard or attack dog? You seem to arrive on cue every time. Mike seems well equipped to take care of himself.

Nothing personal, I was under the impression mike was high up the food chain in the ASA to do something about what he dislikes, that is all. He comes off as a person within with the authority. It only makes sense that he do something other than to complain.

If you can't answer my question, at least "give up the personals", as above.
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CajunNewBlue

I cant believe I read all 5 pages of this..... 🙄

Manny A

IRISHMAFIA wrote
The WCOS is purely ASA.

So now I'm confused. Sorry I didn't see this earlier in the discussion.

If this tournament is "purely ASA", why wouldn't the umpires wear ASA? And what is the tie-in with ISF? Is there some sort of agreement between the two organizations to conduct this thing? Why isn't the championship "purely ISF"?

shagpal

I just did, or I can ignore you.

CecilOne wrote
If you can't answer my question, at least "give up the personals", as above.
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IRISHMAFIA

Manny A wrote
So now I'm confused. Sorry I didn't see this earlier in the discussion.

If this tournament is "purely ASA", why wouldn't the umpires wear ASA? And what is the tie-in with ISF? Is there some sort of agreement between the two organizations to conduct this thing? Why isn't the championship "purely ISF"?

For the same reason the Canada Cup is purely Softball Canada, Japan Cup is purely the Japan Softball Assn. They are all sanctioned and played by ISF rules.

xtremeump

cajunnewblue wrote
i cant believe i read all 5 pages of this..... :rolleyes:

+ 1

xtremeump

ASA/NYSSOBLUE wrote
Funny, my gripe here in NY is that we DON'T wear logos, not even on the hat! All we wear is plain hats and plain powder blue shirts. There have been prototype NYSSO hats floating around, but they do not want to go that route. We get told that the reason for this, is that for the people working way upstate (Watertown, Glens Falls, etc), it would be a burden, as they only work 10 or so games a year.

This is why, for example, it took them FOREVER to dump the ELBECOs - and that was only because ASA stopped selling them. Same thing with the gray/navy blue pants.

With Bruce and Kathy on your NYSSO Board, you are mistaken to say GF area, I do without even trying 200+ fast pitch games a year in that area. We go all Winter with the Dome, I agree that there are places that only do HS games. Not CDSUA.

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