One kid's trash is another kid's...

JetMetFan

Bad Zebra wrote
I'd love to see the form the officials are expected to use to report such incidents.

The form probably be the least of the worries. NJ already has an online form for Ts/ejections. It'll just be a matter of writing what little Johnny or Janey said. Nothing like a good old "he said, (s)he said."

bainsey

Adam wrote
Agreed. Civil Rights Division? Seriously?

Isn't freedom of speech a civil right?

Mind you, that isn't applicable on the court, but when the government gets involved, that's overstepping.

JMF, I have to wonder what Gov. Christie would say to this.

BatteryPowered

bainsey wrote
Isn't freedom of speech a civil right?

Mind you, that isn't applicable on the court, but when the government gets involved, that's overstepping.

JMF, I have to wonder what Gov. Christie would say to this.

Yep...but participating in extracirricular activities is not. Want to play...you play by my rules. Don't like the rules...don't play.

That said...this is stupid and virtually impossible to enforce. So, if an official issues a T for taunting does the player also get charged with a crime?

JetMetFan

BatteryPowered wrote
So, if an official issues a T for taunting does the player also get charged with a crime?

No. It would depend upon what the kid said to the opponent and even then it's not as though the kid is going off to jail or being sued for a civil rights violation. If the comments were related to race, gender, ethnicity, disability, sexual orientation, or religion there could be issues. If the comment was about someone's mother or their opponent's inability to guard them, then it's business as usual.

Adam

JetMetFan wrote
No. It would depend upon what the kid said to the opponent and even then it's not as though the kid is going off to jail or being sued for a civil rights violation. If the comments were related to race, gender, ethnicity, disability, sexual orientation, or religion there could be issues. If the comment was about someone's mother or their opponent's inability to guard them, then it's business as usual.

AFAIC, it should be business as usual either way. 15 year olds don't need this stuff showing up on a permanent record in 10 years. Deal with the issue, teach the lessons that can be taught on the field/court. Sending them through the legal system is ridiculous, IMO.

JRutledge

Multiple Sports wrote
Rut -

We had our posts deleted, just to let you know, I respected your opinion on the matter....

That is fine. I just feel our society is changing so much it does not matter what political affiliation people have, this world has gotten really over the top in what is considered offensive and over the top. Kids used to work things out and now adults have gotten in the way of everything.

Peace

BillyMac

JRutledge wrote
Kids used to work things out and now adults have gotten in the way of everything.

Anybody remember do-overs?

JetMetFan

Adam wrote
AFAIC, it should be business as usual either way. 15 year olds don't need this stuff showing up on a permanent record in 10 years. Deal with the issue, teach the lessons that can be taught on the field/court. Sending them through the legal system is ridiculous, IMO.

I'm not saying I agree with how it's being handled I'm just trying to explain it as best as I understand what's going on. Interestingly, NJSIAA's officials' handbook already had something about situations like this:

In addition to the NJSIAA disciplinary action, any violations of our sportsmanship rule, including, but not limited to disqualifications in the area of racial, ethnic, gender bias, will result in the NJSIAA contacting and working directly with the Conference and Community Agency (Human Rights/Civil Rights Group) which focuses in on this important aspect of social behavior as it relates to athletics.

I can't seem to find anything specific from this past season that prompted a change to take situations out of the hands of the CCA and put them into the hands of the AG office's Civil Rights division. My guess is the situations at Rutgers over past few years - both athletic (Mike Rice) and non-athletic (Tyler Clementi) - had more than a little to do with it.

Multiple Sports

bainsey wrote
Isn't freedom of speech a civil right?

Mind you, that isn't applicable on the court, but when the government gets involved, that's overstepping.

JMF, I have to wonder what Gov. Christie would say to this.

Heck freedom of speech on this site is censored.....

I made a post declaring one of the political parties at fault and saying a couple of talking heads would be doing a show on this topic. An esteemed member challenged my post in an intelligent rebuttal and both our posts were deleted. No arguing no name calling...just two adults expressing their opinion....

Adam

You're right. It's censored here. History has proven political discussions rarely, if ever, result in anything positive on this board.

Remember, freedom of speech does not apply here.

BillyMac

Adam wrote
Freedom of speech does not apply here.

How about the Fifth Amendment?

Multiple Sports

Adam wrote
You're right. It's censored here. History has proven political discussions rarely, if ever, result in anything positive on this board.

Remember, freedom of speech does not apply here.

Adam -

I made my point and the other poster did as well....no name calling was involved and both posts were well written.....I has no intentions to say anything negative about him or his post...

In the future I hope you would give posts like that opportunity to pass the test of time before we succumb to your opinion of what is right or wrong....

Thanks for listening....

bob jenkins

I thank Adam for being proactive in removing the posts.

johnny d

Adam wrote
You're right. It's censored here.

Remember, freedom of speech does not apply here.

Unless you are a moderator, in which case you can do or say as you please!

Adam

johnny d wrote
Unless you are a moderator, in which case you can do or say as you please!

Believe it or not, this is not the case.

Bad Zebra

johnny d wrote
Unless you are a moderator, in which case you can do or say as you please!

Maybe. Maybe not. Some people here seem to think this site is a democracy protected by the constitution. Sorry folks. This is a privately owned internet enterprise. It's essentially private property and posters here do so at the pleasure of the owners. Those that have a problem with the way the boards are moderated are certainly free to refrain from visiting or posting. I, for one, appreciate their providing the forum for discussion AT NO CHARGE. It's certainly not without hard costs to the owners, so I think everyone should abide by their rules and policies or take the opportunity to go elsewhere.

BillyMac

(With apologies to Ricky Ricardo.)

Bad Zebra wrote
Appreciate their providing the Forum for discussion at no charge.

What? What do you mean no charge? When I first joined the Forum, Mark Padgett told me that he was the Forum treasurer. For the past eight years he has automatically taken the ten dollar monthly fee from my credit card account.

Camron Rust

BillyMac wrote
(With apologies to Ricky Ricardo.)

What? What do you mean no charge? When I first joined the Forum, Mark Padgett told me that he was the Forum treasurer. For the past eight years he has automatically taken the ten dollar monthly fee from my credit card account.

That's OK because he pays me a 20% commission on those charges. Thanks. 😀

Welpe

This is zero tolerance on steroids. An investigation on trash talking in my football game this past Sunday would've required the Warren Commission. I don't see this going as intended.

johnny d wrote
Unless you are a moderator, in which case you can do or say as you please!

Axe sharp enough yet?