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Same rule in some jurisdictions on the east coast but it is 30 points.

Did some 55 minute games over last couple years....

JRutledge

Welcome to the club. 😉

Peace

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How much 3-person is there during the regular season?

Rich

AremRed wrote
How much 3-person is there during the regular season?

Depends on the conference. Now that the whole postseason will be 3-person, I anticipate more conferences moving to 3 in future years.

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Rich wrote
Depends on the conference. Now that the whole postseason will be 3-person, I anticipate more conferences moving to 3 in future years.

How many 3-man games did you work this year? Do you think all of the tournament officials will have prior 3-man experience? I had a conversation with a veteran today who said that he once worked a tournament game with a man who had never worked 3-man before and it really hurt the quality of officiating.

BillyMac

AremRed wrote
I had a conversation with a veteran today who said that he once worked a tournament game with a man who had never worked 3-man before and it really hurt the quality of officiating.

Happens here in the Land of Steady Habits all the time.

Raymond

AremRed wrote
How many 3-man games did you work this year? Do you think all of the tournament officials will have prior 3-man experience? I had a conversation with a veteran today who said that he once worked a tournament game with a man who had never worked 3-man before and it really hurt the quality of officiating.

A good, post-season 2-man official shouldn't hurt the crew that much, IMO. Good, post-season 2-man official would study up on 3-man mechanics in preparation of working such an assignment.

johnny d

BadNewsRef wrote
A good, post-season 2-man official shouldn't hurt the crew that much, IMO. Good, post-season 2-man official would study up on 3-man mechanics in preparation of working such an assignment.

Studying the 3-man mechanics and actually doing them in game situations are two very different games. I have seen very good 2-man officials, who have turned into very good 3-man officials struggle on the court when they first start doing 3-man. I think the biggest reason is that they are more worried about where they are supposed to go and when they are supposed to go there rather than concentrating on officiating the game. Add in the extra intensity of a playoff game and I think you are really asking for trouble by putting officials in situations that are not part of their normal routine.

jTheUmp

johnny d wrote
Studying the 3-man mechanics and actually doing them in game situations are two very different games. I have seen very good 2-man officials, who have turned into very good 3-man officials struggle on the court when they first start doing 3-man. I think the biggest reason is that they are more worried about where they are supposed to go and when they are supposed to go there rather than concentrating on officiating the game. Add in the extra intensity of a playoff game and I think you are really asking for trouble by putting officials in situations that are not part of their normal routine.

I can definitely agree with this based on my experience last season... after doing exclusively 2-person games for my first 3 years, my first experiences with 3-person were a big adjustment.

Luckily, I got to work 3-person in a couple of preseason scrimmages, and my first few 3-person games were JV/Varsity doubleheaders, so I could get the "where am I supposed to go, what am I supposed to look at" kinks out of my system during the JV game.

If my first "on court" 3-person experience had been in an actual varsity game... it wouldn't have gone well.

Rich

I agree with the last two posts.

I work a lot of 3-person games. I'm not worried about me or the crew I normally run with -- it will be the first couple of nights of the postseason (where there are very few close games) where I expect some growing pains for the first couple of years.

We're going to have to work hard to provide opportunities for people to work 3-person in game situations even if it means doing subvarsity 3-for-2, I think.

Sharpshooternes

Utah has had three man for 4A and 5A mens (the top two divisions) for a long time. they just told ust there is going to be a vote here in the next couple of months whether or not to use 3 man for womens 4 and 5A (which have historically been 2 man except for the state tournament. It also sounds like the vote will be in the favor of three man. Really excited.

Adam

Colorado uses 3 man for all varsity games (with very few small-school exceptions). Some large schools use 3 for JV (better training for varsity that way).

BigT

Sharpshooternes wrote
Utah has had three man for 4A and 5A mens (the top two divisions) for a long time. they just told ust there is going to be a vote here in the next couple of months whether or not to use 3 man for womens 4 and 5A (which have historically been 2 man except for the state tournament. It also sounds like the vote will be in the favor of three man. Really excited.

I am so excited about this. I have heard some vets would rather retire then do a 3 man girls game. And they will flat out need more referees if they pick up 3 man for 4A/5A and if the games are at the same time as the 4A/5A boys game then they just need more Varsity officials.

Adam

BigT wrote
I have heard some vets would rather retire then do a 3 man girls game.

That's just stupid.

BigT

Adam wrote
That's just stupid.

If you understood how unskilled some of our bigger schools VG games were you would understand they might be afraid of being pulled off that VB games and put on a miserable VG game instead. And how boring some of those games might be for them. Who knows... I am just excited about possibilities for the upcoming season.

Adam

BigT wrote
If you understood how unskilled some of our bigger schools VG games were you would understand they might be afraid of being pulled off that VB games and put on a miserable VG game instead. And how boring some of those games might be for them. Who knows... I am just excited about possibilities for the upcoming season.

Oh, so they're ready to retire rather than work girls games at all. 2 or 3 isn't the issue, except that needing more officials for girls games might mean they have to work a few. Is that accurate?

BigT

Thats my guess Adam. Once the decision comes down I look forward to asking some older vets what they are going to do or how they feel.

Camron Rust

BigT wrote
Thats my guess Adam. Once the decision comes down I look forward to asking some older vets what they are going to do or how they feel.

Then who is going to be doing those boys games? It is more likely that they will stay where they are and they'll pull in new officials to fill the needed spots.

bainsey

AremRed wrote
I had a conversation with a veteran today who said that he once worked a tournament game with a man who had never worked 3-man before and it really hurt the quality of officiating.

That's why we have three-man certification here. All post-season games are three-man. In the pre/regular season, the home team has the option to hire three. It's usually seen at the more competitive, higher class games.

BillyMac

BigT wrote
I have heard some vets would rather retire then do a three man girls game.

Adam wrote
That's just stupid.

I really enjoy the challenge, both the physical challenge, and the mental challenge, of a two person game. In that way I guess that I'm glad that Connecticut is stuck in the twentieth century in terms of three person games. However, deep down inside, I know that three person games are best for the game of high school basketball. These kids today are a lot bigger, a lot faster, and a lot more skilled, all the way down to the end of the bench, than we were back when I was in high school (three favorite subjects: hunting, grunting, and cave painting). I was six feet tall and a center. I see point guards taller than six feet in high school games today. I can see more dunks in a single high school game today than I saw in my entire high school career. I only saw one basket interference call in my entire high school career, when I got my hand accidentally tangled in the net while trying to block a shot.