Mechanics question for you NCAA folks

MD Longhorn

DRJ1960 wrote
Why is U3 standing as you desribed with heels touching Right Centerfield outfield grass a baseball position? Every NCAA and HS 3 man game I've seen has U3 in this position with a runner on first.:confused:

And now I'm confused ... if you've seen this every time, what was your original question?

EsqUmp

DRJ1960 wrote
College Mechanics please. (Play occurred in HS game. Partner stated he was using NCAA mechanics on play).

3 man HS Regional game. R1 on first, one out. Deep line drive between F7 and
F8. U3 goes out for catch / no catch. What are base responsibilities for PU and U1?
(In case it's not obvious to all: PU has the plate, U1 is at first and U3 started play on the first base side of second base).

The set up is correct. 1BU is on the 1st base line. 3BU is on the 1st base side of the infield on a direct line from 2nd to 3rd base.

3BU is responsible for catch / no catch (provided he goes out in NCAA) between the left fielder and right fielder (the "V" as many call it). Once 3BU goes out, the umpire revert to a 2 umpire system. In this case, 1BU is responsible for R1's tag-up and for R1 into 2nd base. 1BU is also responsible for the BR to 3rd base.

Plate umpire is responsible for any play on R1 going into 3rd base.

EsqUmp

MD Longhorn wrote
It does differ, but U3 should not be on the first base side. Perhaps he is thinking baseball, but even then he should be "on an imaginary line extending from third base through second base, 10 feet from second base toward right-center field, set position, facing the plate" .. and NOT on the first base side.

I think that the choice of terms is causing problems. If you draw a line directly through 2nd base, you then have the 3rd base side of 2nd and the 1st base side of 2nd. With R1 on 1st base, the 3BU is on the 1st base side of 2nd base. The exact position being 10 feet from 2nd base on a line looking through 2nd base to 3rd base.

MD Longhorn

You're probably right... I should not try to process invoices and answer these at the same time! 🙂

DRJ1960

MD Longhorn wrote
Looking at it right now. NFHS (and Cactus for that matter) both show U3 at C with a runner on first.

2012 2013 NFHS Softball Umpires Manuel p49 fig25 shows "B3" as I described.

DRJ1960

I was U3...
D1 partner was U1
When I went out for catch / no catch, he had tag-up and then rotated to the plate. This forced PU to third and left 2nd uncovered. He stated this was the "College mechanic".

During very cordial post game conversation I asked why he rotated and he said again that he was following NCAA manual. That's why I asked for the college guys to help. I knew he was wrong by Fed (even though he didn't think so 🙂

EsqUmp

DRJ1960 wrote
I was U3...
D1 partner was U1
When I went out for catch / no catch, he had tag-up and then rotated to the plate. This forced PU to third and left 2nd uncovered. He stated this was the "College mechanic".

During very cordial post game conversation I asked why he rotated and he said again that he was following NCAA manual. That's why I asked for the college guys to help. I knew he was wrong by Fed (even though he didn't think so 🙂

His statement is 100% incorrect in this case. If you had not gone out, it would have been 100% correct. With R1 on 1st base, 1BU doesn't begin to rotate until R1 has reached/rounded 2nd base anyway. Not sure who he thought was going to make that call...

CecilOne

DRJ1960 wrote
I was U3...
D1 partner was U1
When I went out for catch / no catch, he had tag-up and then rotated to the plate. This forced PU to third and left 2nd uncovered. He stated this was the "College mechanic".

During very cordial post game conversation I asked why he rotated and he said again that he was following NCAA manual. That's why I asked for the college guys to help. I knew he was wrong by Fed (even though he didn't think so 🙂

So, the question is whether U1/BU ever rotates to HP in a 2 ump situation, NCAA or other. I would have to look up NCAA to be sure, but otherwise, no.

Jake26

CCA Manual: See page 96 and following. U1 never rotates to home plate.

IRISHMAFIA

So, why is this person using NCAA mechanics in a HS game?

topper

IRISHMAFIA wrote
So, why is this person using NCAA mechanics in a HS game?

Well, he/she is not. He/she appears to be making excuses for knowing neither Fed nor NCAA mechanics.