Basketball rule questions

JRutledge

just another ref wrote
In everyday terms, basketball notwithstanding, when you think of two steps, you picture this. A person is standing still with both feet on the floor. He lifts one foot, moves it forward, then returns it to the floor. He then lifts the other foot, moves it forward, and returns it to the floor.

You cannot legally do this holding a basketball. Period. (not talking about NBA)

But watch the tournament for a few minutes, see a move to the basket, particularly a spin move, and this is dramatically contradicted.

Over and over.

People use "steps" all the time in their description of traveling in many situations. So it is possible that people are imagining it one way and someone is imagining it in another way. That is why I hate to even use that terminology like I would not use "over the back." It gives the wrong impression of what actually the rule describes.

Peace

just another ref

JRutledge wrote
....it is possible that people are imagining it one way and someone is imagining it in another way.

Hence the description. No need to imagine. If the above description is what you mean by two steps, the answer is no, it's not legal.

Yet it happens a lot without a call.

OKREF

APG wrote
Catch the ball in the air...left foot hits...then right foot...jump off that foot for a layup.

That's not 2 steps. That is 1 and a half.

JRutledge

just another ref wrote
Hence the description. No need to imagine. If the above description is what you mean by two steps, the answer is no, it's not legal.

Yet it happens a lot without a call.

OK, and what are you going to do about it?

As I have said before a lot of travels are called improperly and a lot of them are not called. It is the nature of the beast.

Peace

JRutledge

OKREF wrote
That's not 2 steps. That is 1 and a half.

What is a half step?

Peace

just another ref

JRutledge wrote
OK, and what are you going to do about it?

I'm going to continue to call it in my games despite the fact that it is (improperly by rule) not called at higher levels.

just another ref

There's one now. 15:26 second half Indiana Temple

APG

OKREF wrote
That's not 2 steps. That is 1 and a half.

There is no definition of steps in NFHS/NCAA rules. I'd venture a guess and say most laypersons would consider my scenario to be 2 steps. And in the NBA, where steps are used to determine the pivot foot, my scenario would be considered two steps.

OKREF

JRutledge wrote
What is a half step?

Peace

Left ft on ground, step with right(1 step), lift left ft, shoot or pass before it hits, (1/2 step).

JRutledge

just another ref wrote
I'm going to continue to call it in my games despite the fact that it is (improperly by rule) not called at higher levels.

That is great, but many of us do not call what we think we see at the higher levels. I call travels often and never call what I cannot describe or can process in my mind. And I still miss calls on this end.

Now I can tell you that in a playoff game I had this year I had a situation where a certain player would do the same move every single time. I called like 5 travels on him in the same spot when I was in position or had on-ball coverage. My partners did not see it or were not calling it and I looked like the bad guy. Well the same crew had this same team two nights later and for some reason that move was almost never done again in the next game. Again, this was HS basketball, not anything on TV or with the eyes that we see in these games.

Peace

Bad Zebra

I'll grab another easy one:

Offense
9.Is it considered a kick ball if the ball handler throws the ball at the defender's foot? Does it apply to all parts of the legs?

To be a KICK, the official has to judge the defender's action to be intentional. Thus, in your scenario, it would not be considered a KICK unless, for example, the defender lifts the foot to stop the ball. Also, it applies to the entire leg (shins, feet, knees, thighs)

just another ref

JRutledge wrote
That is great, but many of us do not call what we think we see at the higher levels.

The problem is when we do call what everybody sees at higher levels, but it doesn't get called there.

I had this year I had a situation where a certain player would do the same move every single time. I called like 5 travels on him

I've done this. It makes me feel bad for the kid. He didn't just learn that move tonight. He obviously been allowed to make the move without a call other places.

JRutledge

just another ref wrote
The problem is when we do call what everybody sees at higher levels, but it doesn't get called there.

I've done this. It makes me feel bad for the kid. He didn't just learn that move tonight. He obviously been allowed to make the move without a call other places.

I honestly do not know many officials that justify travels or not calling travels they call related to what happens at the other level.

And no I do not think what we called had anything to do with what he had been allowed to do. I think he just lost his fundamentals and did not learn after the first call. He somehow learned the next time. Players make mistakes, not everything they do has to do with us and what we call. And it certainly is not always about what others call at a level that everyone does not watch as closely as others.

Peace

HokiePaul

Mark Padgett wrote
Yes, the gym ceiling.

Never thought about it that way before, lol

potato

hi guys, thanks for the reply, i think i will keep this thread instead of opening multiple threads.

i will continue to add questions on 1st page & mark those that has been solved so we can continue to discuss the outstanding questions.

Any of you guys have similar questions do post here and i'll try to add it into the 1st post.

hopefully one day this thread can become the ultimate basketball myth thread.

just another ref

potato wrote
hopefully one day this thread can become the ultimate basketball myth thread.

We already have a bunch of those. One question per thread is still the best way to go.

Trust us.

Adam

potato wrote
hi guys, thanks for the reply, i think i will keep this thread instead of opening multiple threads.

i will continue to add questions on 1st page & mark those that has been solved so we can continue to discuss the outstanding questions.

Any of you guys have similar questions do post here and i'll try to add it into the 1st post.

hopefully one day this thread can become the ultimate basketball myth thread.

You can try it, but you're not likely to get satisfactory answers to all of your questions.

potato

so are we allowed to take 1 step (after your foot lands not inc 1/2 step) after receiving a running pass (you run towards the basket at full speed & receive a pass and you go for a layup. Or you have to jump the moment your foot lands on the ground after receiving the pass. Or dribble.

potato

Solved Questions:

Offensive:

8.Does the ball hitting the side of the board means it's out of bound like it would when it hits the top of the board/back of the board?
http://forum.officiating.com/basketball/94496-basketball-rule-questions.html#post886444

9.Is it considered a kick ball if the ball handler throws the ball at the defender's foot? Does it apply to all parts of the legs?[/COLOR]
http://forum.officiating.com/basketball/94496-basketball-rule-questions-3.html#post886535

potato

zm1283 wrote
I didn't read much of that but I will say two things: I don't know what a "hotstep" is and steps don't matter in regards to traveling violations.

a hotstep (hopstep?) is the person does a quick hop/leap with both legs then landing with both legs right after picking up his dribble, which is considered 2 steps.

which makes me wonder, after the hopstep, can you still choose your pivot foot and pivot?

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