Lost time out...

just another ref

BillyMac wrote
Note: None and excess.

If I know when they have none, I can figure out on my own if one is excess.

Adam

just another ref wrote
This is about the only important thing I do in pregame. I tell the coaches, "Let us see the 30 signal, or you will get a full." Then, the worst thing that can happen is a 30 signal, scorer says they have no 30, and they get a full anyway.

I use to say that, and some do here. Now, since the rule doesn't say to do this, I simply tell them to let me know, because otherwise I have to guess. If I'm feeling comedic, I'll point out that my wife tells me I'm horrible at reading minds so I'll probably guess wrong.

just another ref

Adam wrote
I use to say that, and some do here. Now, since the rule doesn't say to do this, I simply tell them to let me know, because otherwise I have to guess.

The rule doesn't say to do what? I'm telling them to let me know, as well. Signal a 30, no signal means full. I don't have to guess, either.

Rich

Adam wrote
I use to say that, and some do here. Now, since the rule doesn't say to do this, I simply tell them to let me know, because otherwise I have to guess. If I'm feeling comedic, I'll point out that my wife tells me I'm horrible at reading minds so I'll probably guess wrong.

I'm not a fan of this -- I prefer to use a bit of preventive officiating. I ask once and I make sure the coach has my attention before I ask. Otherwise, it's a 60.

Since when do we need a rule to be preventive? Giving the "wrong" timeout seems like it can cause more trouble than it's worth.

Adam

I must have been unclear. My point was I don't default to a full. I try to guess, but I can't guarantee I'll guess correctly. Seems my odds are at least as good as if I defaulted to a 60.

Tio

In a HS game or non-media game this would be fine. However, even in small college games there are media formats and depending on the format, the full-timeouts can burn a media timeout. So just something to consider if you have that in your game.

It doesn't take that much longer to ask a coach what they want.... ideally you should not be starting the timeout clock until both players are at their benches which should give you a few seconds if you need clarification.

Adam wrote
I must have been unclear. My point was I don't default to a full. I try to guess, but I can't guarantee I'll guess correctly. Seems my odds are at least as good as if I defaulted to a 60.

BillyMac

just another ref wrote
If I know when they have none, I can figure out on my own if one is excess.

Two officials. Two teams. Figure out the permutations. I want the scorekeeper to tell me when a team has used an excess (illegal) timeout, just in case I, or my partner, forgets that it's an excess (illegal) timeout that must be penalized. This is not a correctable error.

Also, more importantly, it's a rule: 2-11-9: Signal the nearer official each time a team is granted a time-out in excess of the allotted number.

Now, where are my house keys?

BillyMac

just another ref wrote
"Let us see the 30 signal, or you will get a full."

After we ask once, or twice, without a response, this is the way it's done here in my little corner of the Constitution State.

The only difference is that out local interpreter wants us to call these thirty second, and sixty second, timeouts, not thirty second time outs, and full timeouts. Kinda like endline, and baseline, don't you think??

Adam

Tio wrote
In a HS game or non-media game this would be fine. However, even in small college games there are media formats and depending on the format, the full-timeouts can burn a media timeout. So just something to consider if you have that in your game.

It doesn't take that much longer to ask a coach what they want.... ideally you should not be starting the timeout clock until both players are at their benches which should give you a few seconds if you need clarification.

Wait, when did I say I don't ask?

just another ref

Adam wrote
Wait, when did I say I don't ask?

What is wrong with having a default? If you have a default, you don't have to ask.

Adam

just another ref wrote
What is wrong with having a default? If you have a default, you don't have to ask.

Didn't say anything was wrong with it. I just don't do it. When I did, i still asked.

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