stiffler3492 JRutledge wroteTrue, but you made sure we knew that Cal was apart of the switch-a-roo in your link comments. I am just stating that I am not seeing how he is the main person responsible. I know officials sometimes lose the shooter on a foul not shooting. And it happens with me from time to time unless there is a very distinctive (tattoos, height, hair style) identifier for the kid that was fouled. I am not ruling out anything, just stating that there are a lot of factors to this situation. Peace Jeff, come on. Quote me where I accuse Calipari of having anything to do with this!
JRutledge stiffler3492 wroteJeff, come on. Quote me where I accuse Calipari of having anything to do with this! stiffler3492 wroteJohn Calipari Pulled a Switch-a-roo to Get a Better Shooter at the Foul Line, and the Refs Missed It [Video] | The Big Lead Thoughts? Anytime you post a link, there is a place where you have the opportunity put the nature of the video or link in your own words. This is the part that I am taking issue with[Video] | The Big Lead Or the link would look like this. It does not make me any difference, I am just stating you posted this video. I think there are holes in the way the situation is being made out to be that is all. And I am not one not to put much beyond a coach either. Peace
stiffler3492 JRutledge wroteAnytime you post a link, there is a place where you have the opportunity put the nature of the video or link in your own words. This is the part that I am taking issue with[Video] | The Big Lead Or the link would look like this. It does not make me any difference, I am just stating you posted this video. I think there are holes in the way the situation is being made out to be that is all. And I am not one not to put much beyond a coach either. Peace I posted the link verbatim from the website. If anyone thinks that by leaving the link as is, I am in any way agreeing with said link, then they are incredibly naive. If I must edit the link of everything I post in order to be PC, then so be it. But don't put words in my mouth because I copied and pasted a link directly from another website.
JRutledge stiffler3492 wroteI posted the link verbatim from the website. If anyone thinks that by leaving the link as is, I am in any way agreeing with said link, then they are incredibly naive. If I must edit the link of everything I post in order to be PC, then so be it. But don't put words in my mouth because I copied and pasted a link directly from another website. Don't take what I said so personally. I am just stating you posted the link and the video. I am giving you my perspective on the situation just like others did. It does not mean that what people see is right or wrong. It just means there are other explanations. But you cannot get upset with anyone when they do not see what you see. Again, this looks like a typical situation where the wrong player thinks they are shooting and we tell them that the right player should go to the line. It has happen several times over the years with me personally and I would not suspect anything different took place here with a coach that is on the other side of the court. Peace
Jay R I had PVR'd the game and went back to watch. On the broadcast, you can see referee Ed Corbett signaling the foul on #2 when reporting to the table. That part is clear. As to whether Calipari had anything to do with it, I have no idea. I do know that a friend of mine played for a coach who encouraged his players to try and get away with that stuff. My friend did not play for Coach Cal though.🙂
stiffler3492 JRutledge wroteDon't take what I said so personally. I am just stating you posted the link and the video. I am giving you my perspective on the situation just like others did. It does not mean that what people see is right or wrong. It just means there are other explanations. But you cannot get upset with anyone when they do not see what you see. Again, this looks like a typical situation where the wrong player thinks they are shooting and we tell them that the right player should go to the line. It has happen several times over the years with me personally and I would not suspect anything different took place here with a coach that is on the other side of the court. Peace Your perspective is what I want. Not baseless accusations. It looks to me like some funny business happened. You don't agree? That's OK with me.
stiffler3492 Jay R wroteI had PVR'd the game and went back to watch. On the broadcast, you can see referee Ed Corbett signaling the foul on #2 when reporting to the table. That part is clear. As to whether Calipari had anything to do with it, I have no idea. I do know that a friend of mine played for a coach who encouraged his players to try and get away with that stuff. My friend did not play for Coach Cal though.🙂 Well there's another piece to the puzzle. So Noel should have been at the line for sure, and not Poythress. Either the officials screwed up by directing Poythress to the line, or Kentucky pulled a trick and got away with it.
JRutledge stiffler3492 wroteYour perspective is what I want. Not baseless accusations. It looks to me like some funny business happened. You don't agree? That's OK with me. That is what I gave you. You just did not accept it. And that is OK with me. 😉 Peace
JRutledge stiffler3492 wroteI never told you that you are wrong, I argued back and forth with you. I did not say I was right. I just do not see anything that suggests something nefarious took place on the coach's part. Who knows what the coach tells these guys behind closed doors. I just see nothing in the video and it appears I am seeing what others are seeing. And you are a IU fan and alum, so that tells me a lot of why you might think Coach Cal was up to something. 😉 Peace
stiffler3492 JRutledge wroteI did not say I was right. I just do not see anything that suggests something nefarious took place on the coach's part. Who knows what the coach tells these guys behind closed doors. I just see nothing in the video and it appears I am seeing what others are seeing. And you are a IU fan and alum, so that tells me a lot of why you might think Coach Cal was up to something. 😉 Peace Haha while my Hoosier fandom is no secret, rest assured it's not blinding. The perception of Calipari is that he cheats OFF the court, not on it.
BktBallRef stiffler3492 wroteDid you at least read the article the second time around instead of just watching the video? Ah, no. Like I said, I couldn't care less what the guy who wrote the article thinks. I simply looked at the video. No doubt in my mind there was confusion on who was fouled.
qcumpire Since I don't officiate basketball, I have a couple questions. What is the penalty for switching shooters? Is the penalty the same for NCAA and Fed?
just another ref qcumpire wroteSince I don't officiate basketball, I have a couple questions. What is the penalty for switching shooters? Is the penalty the same for NCAA and Fed? NFHS If it is ruled an act of deception it is a technical foul.
KJUmp just another ref wroteNFHS If it is ruled an act of deception it is a technical foul. NCAA rules only..... Purely for the sake of argument, lets assume that UK#22 was the incorrect shooter. Are NCAA correctable error rules the same as Fed? Would video review be allowed?
SAJ It appears that when #L2 reaches between #K3 and #K22 to "deflect" the pass the official calls a foul on #L2 and must believe that foul was against #K22. With the position of both #K3 and #L2 with their backs facing the calling official he doesn't have the best look at the "foul". I don't recall any other angles for replay on the play so I'm not sure who the foul was actually on.
stiffler3492 SAJ wroteIt appears that when #L2 reaches between #K3 and #K22 to "deflect" the pass the official calls a foul on #L2 and must believe that foul was against #K22. With the position of both #K3 and #L2 with their backs facing the calling official he doesn't have the best look at the "foul". I don't recall any other angles for replay on the play so I'm not sure who the foul was actually on. IMO, it's pretty clear from the video that the foul on Smith was for wrapping Noel around the waste and turning him slightly.
JRutledge stiffler3492 wroteIMO, it's pretty clear from the video that the foul on Smith was for wrapping Noel around the waste and turning him slightly. How is that pretty clear? The foul looks like it was on the pass. Now whether Smith was reaching to defect the pass is an issue, but I would not say that second acton was a foul. Peace
just another ref I actually would have been happier with no foul called at all on the play. But from the timing of the whistle and the reactions, it seems that the foul was on #2. If so, the wrong shooter was on the line. It happens, intentionally or otherwise.
stiffler3492 JRutledge wroteHow is that pretty clear? The foul looks like it was on the pass. Now whether Smith was reaching to defect the pass is an issue, but I would not say that second acton was a foul. Peace Right, and the action I pointed out I think prevents Noel from receiving the pass cleanly.