Cannot Sub for Guy who Dunks in Pregame?

Raymond

Freddy wrote
MS game last night (yes, really!): A1, starter in the book, grabs and pulls down the rim right toward the end of pregame warmups. Technical foul rightfully issued by observing official. Coach, upset with A1 and desiring to deprive him of his starter status, wants to sub for him before game starts. Official rules that, except for illness, injury, etc. (3-2-2a), such a substitute is not allowed without incurring a team T for changing the scorebook.

I desire to confirm with you that this is correct.

Why wouldn't the sub come in between or after the free throws?

letemplay

Did A HC lobby for "grabbing to prevent injury"?🙂

Smitty

I'm letting coach bench the kid.

Adam

Game starts with the free throws. Legally he can sub. I'd let him sub before the free throws are even shot.

Camron Rust

Once the T is reported, the game has started. Substitutions are allowed now....the starters have started.

Freddy

bob jenkins wrote
You can desire all you want, but you won't get that confirmation.

Could it be that, since the game will begin with two technical free throws, a sub can enter to replace this young rim-grabber after the first free throw is shot? Could it be I neglected to consult 6-2-1 regarding the starting of a game? Could it be that I was incorrect in my original inquiry? Could it? Could it? Could it?

I consider myself not yet confirmed.

Adam

Freddy wrote
Could it be that, since the game will begin with two technical free throws, a sub can enter to replace this young rim-grabber after the first free throw is shot? Could it be I neglected to consult 6-2-1 regarding the starting of a game? Could it be that I was incorrect in my original inquiry? Could it? Could it? Could it?

I consider myself not yet confirmed.

No need to wait for the first free throw. That rule only applies to personal fouls.

Freddy

Adam wrote
No need to wait for the first free throw. That rule only applies to personal fouls.

Can't find where it says that. Any help?
I'm seeing what 6-2-1 says, and how it refers me to 6-1-2, and get all that. But I'm still searching for what you state above and what justification there could be for allowing this substitution before the ball becomes live.

bainsey

Camron Rust wrote
Once the T is reported, the game has started.

Perhaps this is minutia, does that mean report the T immediately, and the game has started, or wait until the game is supposed to start to report the T?

Adam

Freddy wrote
Can't find where it says that. Any help?
I'm seeing what 6-2-1 says, and how it refers me to 6-1-2, and get all that. But I'm still searching for what you state above and what justification there could be for allowing this substitution before the ball becomes live.

3-3-1 I believe.

ref3808

If the coach wants to reinforce the lesson by removing the kid from the starting lineup I'm for it. And if it has to be medical I'm pretty sure the kid hurt his hand on the rim.

OKREF

6-2-1. The game and each extra period begins when the ball becomes live as specified in 6-1-2 for a jump ball, throw-in or free throw. He would be able to sub after the first free throw.

tjones1

OKREF wrote
6-2-1. The game and each extra period begins when the ball becomes live as specified in 6-1-2 for a jump ball, throw-in or free throw. He would be able to sub after the first free throw.

What if the other coach wants to bring in A44 (read B44 for OP) to shoot both technical foul free throws?

BillyMac

tjones1 wrote
What if the other coach wants to bring in A44 to shoot both technical foul free throws?

Legal. I'll give a citation later. I'm at work with no books.

tjones1

BillyMac wrote
Legal. I'll give a citation later. I'm at work with no books.

I know it's legal, Billy.

My point is you can sub before the first throw.

OKREF

tjones1 wrote
What if the other coach wants to bring in A44 to shoot both technical foul free throws?

I would say one of the marked starting 5 would have to shoot the first one, and anyone would be able to shoot the second one.

tjones1

OKREF wrote
I would say one of the marked starting 5 would have to shoot the first one, and anyone would be able to shoot the second one.

I disagree.

legend

tjones1 wrote
What if the other coach wants to bring in A44 to shoot both technical foul free throws?

What other coach? Team b doesn't get to say who shoots them if they are the offending team. If team A is awarded the free throws their coach can have any player in the book shoot said free throws.

Freddy

tjones1 wrote
What if the other coach wants to bring in A44 to shoot both technical foul free throws?

An exception is granted for that in 3-2-2a: "...unless...to attempt a technical-foul free throw."
(assuming that "other coach" is the not the one ticked off at his 6'10" MS player)

tjones1

legend wrote
What other coach? Team b doesn't get to say who shoots them if they are the offending team. If team A is awarded the free throws their coach can have any player in the book shoot said free throws.

I switched them. Don't get caught up in that...it's been corrected in my first post. Sorry for the confusion.

My point was you can sub before the first free throw.