Hair

deecee

they also cannot be tied in big bows that many of the girls just seem to *love*. but Stiffler is right. There is no ruling on color and size, however best judgement is best used in that regard.

Adam

deecee wrote
they also cannot be tied in big bows that many of the girls just seem to *love*. but Stiffler is right. There is no ruling on color and size, however best judgement is best used in that regard.

Is there documentation for this ?

deecee

Adam wrote
Is there documentation for this ?

3.5.7 - bows pose a safety concern. The bigger the bow the greater the concern.

BktBallRef

While I agree bows are illegal, where do you see anything about bows in 3-5-7 or 3.5.7????

3-5-7
Compression shorts/tights shall be a single solid color similar to the predominant color of the pants/skirt; the length shall be above the knee. Undergarments shall not extend below the pants/skirt. See 3-6 for logo requirements.

3.5.7 SITUATION A:
Substitute A6 is beckoned and enters the court to replace A1. A6 is wearing: (a) compression shorts below the game pants which extend below the knees; (b) cut-off jeans extending below the game pants; or (c) jewelry.
RULING: The items in (a), (b) and (c) are illegal and A6 will not be allowed to participate while wearing the items. No penalty is involved. A6 simply cannot participate until the illegal items are removed.

3.5.7 SITUATION B:
A player, for religious reasons, may not wear shorts. Would he/she be able to wear tights under the basketball uniform shorts, warm-ups or a skirt instead of shorts?
RULING: NFHS basketball uniform rules do not require that the uniform pants be "shorts." However, undergarments or tights may not be worn which extend below the pants, therefore wearing tights "below the uniform shorts" would be illegal. The player could wear long pants or a skirt as the uniform "bottom" and be in compliance. (Rule 3, Section 4)

The appropriate rule is

3.5.4d & e
Wristbands and headwear shall meet the following guidelines:
d. Rubber, cloth or elastic bands may be used to control hair. Hard items, including, but not limited to, beads, barrettes and bobby pins, are prohibited.
e. Head decorations and headwear, except those specified above, are prohibited.

BillyMac

Fleecy, Shining, Gleaming, Streaming, Flaxen, Waxen, Knotted, Polka Dotted, Twisted, Beaded, Braided, Powered, Flowered And Confettied , Bangled, Tangled, Spangled And Spahettied …

Headbands and wristbands must be white, black, beige or a single solid school color, provided all team members are wearing the same color for each item for all participants. Only a single item may be worn on the head and/or on each wrist. Sweatbands must be worn below the elbow. Rubber, cloth, or elastic bands, of any color, may be used to control hair.

Parenthetically, headbands go around the head, hair control devices go around hair.

deecee

3.5 section 7.

The referee shall not permit any team member to participate if in his/her judgement any item constitutes a safety concern, such as, but not limited to , a player's fingernails or hairstyle.

BillyMac

BktBallRef wrote
While I agree bows are illegal.

I don't.

BktBallRef wrote
The appropriate rule is: 3.5.4 D & E: Headwear shall meet the following guidelines:
d. Rubber, cloth or elastic bands may be used to control hair. Hard items, including, but not limited to, beads, barrettes and bobby pins, are prohibited.
e. Head decorations and headwear, except those specified above, are prohibited.

Who says that the "cloth bands" can't be tied in a bow? What if they're tied in a knot? Is that illegal also? If they can't be tied in bows, or knots, then just how will they be attached?

BktBallRef

First off, dots are case plays, dashes are rules.

Second, I quoted NFHS 3-5-7 and 3.5.7 above and neither one say that.

Third, perhaps you're refering to 3-7????

Yet, I still don't see the word "bows" used anywhere.

APG

deecee wrote
3.5 section 7.

The referee shall not permit any team member to participate if in his/her judgement any item constitutes a safety concern, such as, but not limited to , a player's fingernails or hairstyle.

Dashes are used for rules...periods are used for casebook plays. And the rule you're trying to quote is 3-7.

BktBallRef

BillyMac wrote
Who says that the "cloth bands" can't be tied in a bow? What if they're tied in a knot? Is that illegal also? If they can't be tied in bows, or knots, then just how will they be attached?

A band is one continuous loop. A band is not a tied ribbon.

A bow constitutes a head decoration. I'm sure your mother put them in your hair when you were smal to make you look pretty. Hence, "decoration."

deecee

yes I know. been a while.

BillyMac

BktBallRef wrote
A band is one continuous loop. A band is not a tied ribbon.

Nope. How can a non-elastic cloth band stay in one's hair without using a knot, or bow? How will the length of the non-elastic cloth band be controlled? A good example of a non-elastic cloth band is a ribbon, and a ribbon will only stay attached if it is tied in a bow, or in a knot.

band (noun):
1. a thin, flat strip of some material for binding, confining, trimming, protecting, etc.: a band on each bunch of watercress.
2. a fillet, belt, or strap: a band for the hair; a band for connecting pulleys.
4. a strip of paper or other material serving as a label: a cigar band.
5. a plain or simply styled ring, without mounted gems or the like: a thin gold band on his finger.

And you're wrong, it was my father who put the bows in my hair to make me look handsome; father, not mother; handsome, not pretty. Shows how much you know smarty pants.

Mark Padgett

BillyMac wrote
How can a non-elastic cloth band stay in one's hair without using a knot, or bow?

Staple gun.

BktBallRef

BillyMac wrote
Nope. How can a non-elastic cloth band stay in one's hair without using a knot, or bow?

Go by a Staples, Office Depot or Office Max. Ask one of the wonderful, caring people that work there to show you the section where they keep the rubber bands. Take one out of the box, put your hand through it so that it's around your wrist. If it's not tight enough, stretch it, twist it once and again, stick your hand through the band.

It works the same way with a cloth or elastic band with hair. No knot or bow needed.

Here endeth the lesson.

Perhaps the IAABOXYZ to the 4th power rule book says something different but that's how the NFHS Rule Book is interpreted by every state and local association I've ever been a member of. Feel free to rule on it as you see fit. But if you come down here, we're going to make you take Daddy's bows out of your hair.

derwil

BillyMac wrote
How can a non-elastic cloth band stay in one's hair without using a knot, or bow?

Hot glue, duct tape.......

Nevadaref

I recall an NFHS ruling staing that a ribbon was legal if it was the only item used to control the hair, however if there was a rubber or elastic band already in the hair and additionally a ribbon, then the ribbon was purely decorative and illegal.

Also, deecee's ruling that a bow in the hair is a safety hazard is a stretch and probably would be a poor ruling to make during a game.

BillyMac

BktBallRef wrote
Go by a Staples, Office Depot or Office Max. Ask one of the wonderful, caring people that work there to show you the section where they keep the rubber bands. Take one out of the box, put your hand through it so that it's around your wrist. If it's not tight enough, stretch it, twist it once and again, stick your hand through the band.

Why would I ask to see rubber bands? Rubber bands have elastic properties. I've been talking about non-elastic cloth bands, as allowed by NFHS rule 3-5-4-D (Rubber, cloth, or elastic bands may be used to control hair.)

Go by a Jo-Ann Fabric and Craft, or A. C. Moore Arts and Crafts. Ask one of the wonderful, caring people that work there to show you the section where they keep the ribbons. Now pick out a pretty color ribbon. Take a length of that ribbon and put it around your wrist. Now try to make it stay on your wrist without using a glue gun, staples, or duct tape, and without tying a knot, or a bow, in the ribbon. Please be sure to let me know the the result of your little experiment.

BillyMac

BktBallRef wrote
That's how the NFHS Rule Book is interpreted by every state and local association I've ever been a member of.

Agreed. I'm sure that there are state, or local, organizations that you have belonged to that have interpreted cloth ribbons tied with a bow to be illegal, but it's not supported by any national rule set that I know of, and certainly not by any NFHS rule, casebook play, or interpretation, that I'm familiar with. So when you come to the Constitution State, we will allow you to wear ribbons tied in a bow in your hair, and the ribbons can be any pretty color that you choose because these are hair control devices, not headbands.

Good debate, lots of fun, reminds me of Jurassic Referee debates. Man, I miss him.

Nevadaref wrote
I recall an NFHS ruling stating that a ribbon was legal if it was the only item used to control the hair, however if there was a rubber or elastic band already in the hair and additionally a ribbon, then the ribbon was purely decorative and illegal.

I seem to recall the same interpretation. C'mon Nevadaref, you're the king of archived NFHS interpretations, can't you come up with this one, and bring some closure to this thread.

BillyMac

Mark Padgett wrote
Staple gun.

Hey Mark Padgett, great post. I hope that the health of your sense of humor matches your physical health. So how's that replacement pig's heart working out? Do you get urges to roll around in the mud? Are you filled with disgust every time you toss a football?

BktBallRef

BillyMac wrote
Why would I ask to see rubber bands? Rubber bands have elastic properties. I've been talking about non-elastic cloth bands, as allowed by NFHS rule 3-5-4-D (Rubber, cloth, or elastic bands may be used to control hair.)

Rule doesn't say ribbon.

It's says a cloth band, for example, a scunchie.

A ribbon is not a cloth band. A ribbon is not a scrunchie.

A bow is not a cloth band. A bow is a head decoration.

Here endeth the lesson. Back to my Ignore list you go.