Help a rookie out.

jeremy341a

In all instances both teams have 7 team fouls.

1. A1 while dribbling in the backcourt dribbles the ball off his own foot. While chasing down the ball A1 shoves B1. There are no free throws awarded as team A still has team control.

2. A1 while dribbling in the backcourt dribbles the ball off his own foot. While chasing down the ball B1 shoves A1. A1 is awarded bonus freethrows.

3. A1 attempts a shot and on the rebound A2 fouls B1. B1 is awarded bonus freethrows due to neither team having team control.

Am I correct?

JRutledge

jeremy341a wrote
In all instances both teams have 7 team fouls.

1. A1 while dribbling in the backcourt dribbles the ball off his own foot. While chasing down the ball A1 shoves B1. There are no free throws awarded as team A still has team control.

True. TC Foul on A1.

jeremy341a wrote
2. A1 while dribbling in the backcourt dribbles the ball off his own foot. While chasing down the ball B1 shoves A1. A1 is awarded bonus freethrows.

Yes, foul on B and in the bonus.

jeremy341a wrote
3. A1 attempts a shot and on the rebound A2 fouls B1. B1 is awarded bonus freethrows due to neither team having team control.

Am I correct?

No TC on a try until possession. So yes you are correct on all of these.

Peace

JRutledge

BTW, Welcome to the forum.

Peace

jeremy341a

Thanks. Long time reader first time poster. I called my first "official" game the other night and my "senior partner" would not allow me to award bonus freethrows on the #3 the rebounding foul bc he said there was no team control. I thought I knew what I was talking about but he got me second guessing myself.

JRutledge

jeremy341a wrote
Thanks. Long time reader first time poster. I called my first "official" game the other night and my "senior partner" would not allow me to award bonus freethrows on the #3 the rebounding foul bc he said there was no team control. I thought I knew what I was talking about but he got me second guessing myself.

Well that is what experience will do for you. And the more and more you work, the more and more confident you will get over what should be done. It is common to doubt yourself early on with rules you have not applied that much in your career.

Peace

rockyroad

jeremy341a wrote
Thanks. Long time reader first time poster. I called my first "official" game the other night and my "senior partner" would not allow me to award bonus freethrows on the #3 the rebounding foul bc he said there was no team control. I thought I knew what I was talking about but he got me second guessing myself.

That's exactly why you WOULD shoot the bonus free throws...sounds like your senior partner was confused.

JRutledge

rockyroad wrote
That's exactly why you WOULD shoot the bonus free throws...sounds like your senior partner was confused.

He could have had a brain fart. I had the same last year on a loose ball and signaled that we had bonus FTs to shoot. Then a partner came to me and reminded me the situation and saved the crew and me. It happens sometimes in unusual situations sometimes.

Peace

Adam

JRutledge wrote
He could have had a brain fart. I had the same last year on a loose ball and signaled that we had bonus FTs to shoot. Then a partner came to me and reminded me the situation and saved the crew and me. It happens sometimes in unusual situations sometimes.

Peace

Unusual situations (loose ball stuff), sure. But rebounding fouls should be (I know, I know) basic.

I wonder, though, if jeremy didn't just type it wrong and his veteran partner thought there was team control.

Or, and this is just a thought, A1 was able to control the rebound before fouling B1 (not likely, but possible.) This would make it a PC foul.

JRutledge

Adam wrote
Unusual situations (loose ball stuff), sure. But rebounding fouls should be (I know, I know) basic.

I wonder, though, if jeremy didn't just type it wrong and his veteran partner thought there was team control.

Or, and this is just a thought, A1 was able to control the rebound before fouling B1 (not likely, but possible.) This would make it a PC foul.

All I was trying to say was that we have mental lapses from time to time. It could be that one of the officials was not thinking and questioned what they should do.

Peace

Adam

JRutledge wrote
All I was trying to say was that we have mental lapses from time to time. It could be that one of the officials was not thinking and questioned what they should do.

Peace

Agreed, and this is the time of year where a lot of officials are shaking off the rust.

BillyMac

Adam wrote
Agreed, and this is the time of year where a lot of officials are shaking off the rust.

Shake? I need more than that, maybe some Naval Jelly would help?

Adam

Maybe some Rust-eze?

jritchie

jeremy341a wrote
In all instances both teams have 7 team fouls.

1. A1 while dribbling in the backcourt dribbles the ball off his own foot. While chasing down the ball A1 shoves B1. There are no free throws awarded as team A still has team control.

2. A1 while dribbling in the backcourt dribbles the ball off his own foot. While chasing down the ball B1 shoves A1. A1 is awarded bonus freethrows.

3. A1 attempts a shot and on the rebound A2 fouls B1. B1 is awarded bonus freethrows due to neither team having team control.

Am I correct?

In 1 and 2, the shove could also be an intentional or flagrant foul, then you would have 2 free throws and a possible ejection if flagrant.

jeremy341a

Adam wrote
Unusual situations (loose ball stuff), sure. But rebounding fouls should be (I know, I know) basic.

I wonder, though, if jeremy didn't just type it wrong and his veteran partner thought there was team control.

Or, and this is just a thought, A1 was able to control the rebound before fouling B1 (not likely, but possible.) This would make it a PC foul.

No I didn't type it wrong. It was just your garden variety rebounding foul with no possession yet. I knew it was basic, I've seen it a million times during my time playing, watching, and coaching. He was just so "sure of himself" tha he got me second guessing myself.

jeremy341a

jritchie wrote
In 1 and 2, the shove could also be an intentional or flagrant foul, then you would have 2 free throws and a possible ejection if flagrant.

Yeah I worded that poorly. I should have used another term to mean a common foul. Guess that's why I teach Math and not English. 🙂

Camron Rust

jritchie wrote
In 1 and 2, the shove could also be an intentional or flagrant foul, then you would have 2 free throws and a possible ejection if flagrant.

Why?

Adam

Camron Rust wrote
Why?

Why not?

tref

I appreciated jritchie take on this, the push/shove could be so egregious that we have no choice but to upgrade from a common personal to an intentional/flagrant personal.

Coach: But it was a loose ball 😀

Camron Rust

Adam wrote
Why not?

When it comes to intentional/flagrant, I want to have a reason TO call it, not look for a reason not to call it.

As described, it didn't sound at all intentional or flagrant. Why should I go looking for a reason to make it one.

Two guys going for a lose ball and one knocks the other over on the way to the ball....common foul to me.

Adam

Camron Rust wrote
When it comes to intentional/flagrant, I want to have a reason TO call it, not look for a reason not to call it.

As described, it didn't sound at all intentional or flagrant. Why should I go looking for a reason to make it one.

Two guys going for a lose ball and one knocks the other over on the way to the ball....common foul to me.

I agree, I don't go looking to call intentional or flagrant fouls. They're typically pretty obvious when they happen. But using the word "shove" means at least the intentional could logically be considered for discussion.