Whose Ball Following This Play

CT1

Evidently, I should have used the phrase "For enforcement purposes, this is a COP play". 🙄

MD Longhorn

Robert Goodman wrote
Actually I didn't, but if i'd been more awake when I read it, I would've. I'd misread a detail of what he wrote, got onto the wrong track.

Cool.

mtridge

If it a complete pass to K79 do we take ignore the OPI and take IFP or vica verca?

dvasques

Ok... I know the original question was Federation rules but since I'm back and still working IFAF/NCAA rules here in Brasil, I gotta ask about this situation...
muffed kick beyond NZ bounces back behind NZ, R picks it up and passes forward from behind NZ

That's a legal pass in NCAA/IFAF?

CT1

mtridge wrote
If it a complete pass to K79 do we take ignore the OPI and take IFP or vica verca?

No, you don't ignore it. But you do call the correct foul.

If K79 has done nothing other than catch the ball, it's Illegal Touching, not OPI.

Same penalty yardage, although the basic spot for the IT would be the previous spot. You still can't enforce the LOD provision.

mtridge

It would be a OPI. Case book 7.5.13 If ineligible catches the ball beyond the LOS it is OPI

mbyron

mtridge wrote
It would be a OPI. Case book 7.5.13 If ineligible catches the ball beyond the LOS it is OPI

Not OPI. NFHS fixed this case play in the 2012 interps.

Page 61, *7.5.13 SITUATION A: Ineligible receiver A2 is behind, in or beyond his neutral zone and has committed no act against a defender that could be considered pass interference when a forward pass by A1: (a) accidentally strikes him in the back; or (b) is muffed by him; or (c) is caught by him. RULING: In (a), there is no foul for illegal touching. In (b) and (c), it is illegal touching. ~~and if beyond the line of scrimmage, would also be offensive pass interference.~~ The acts in both (b) and (c) are intentional and not accidental as in (a). COMMENT: Game officials should be very clear in explaining penalty options if the same act constitutes more than one foul as listed above, as each of the fouls has a different penalty.

NFHS | 2012 NFHS Football Rules Interpretations

JugglingReferee

The Stiff wrote
Federation Rules — Fourth down and 10 from midfield. A's punt is muffed on the R 40 and rebounds back behind the neutral zone, where A2 picks it up at the A 45 yard line and throws an incomplete pass. Where will the ball be put in play next?

CANADIAN RULING:

Interpret as an offside pass - live ball.

mtridge

Thanks mbyron. Didn't know that website existed. Very useful.

Robert Goodman

JugglingReferee wrote
CANADIAN RULING:

Interpret as an offside pass - live ball.

So the pass is considered to have been thrown during possession other than from scrimmage? I.e. possession from scrimmage ends when the ball is kicked past the line of scrimmage?

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