Worthy of the thumb?

CT1

Greinke *probably* spiked the ball because he was upset with himself for being late getting off the mound. U1 *probably* called BR safe for the same reason.

As far as Roenicke - West is concerned, you can plainly see West ask "Excuse me?" at the end of Roenicke's tirade, which leads me to think Roenicke said something personal about U1 and/or the rest of the crew.

mbyron

I don't know what Greinke said, but it's pretty clear Holbrook judged Greinke was showing him up. Pro umpires don't generally toss people out of the blue, and IMO Holbrook is entitled to the benefit of the doubt.

If the EJ makes players think twice about throwing their little tantrums when something doesn't go their way instead of just sucking it up and getting back to work, IMO that's all to the good.

jicecone

gpdeppert wrote
Bring on the robots: Zack Greinke ejected after four pitches for spiking baseball | Big League Stew - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

I am not sure about this one. I think someone was a little sensitive that afternoon.

What do you think?

Your right Zack Greinke was way over sensitive about blowing the play at first and it resulted in a bone-head move that got him thrown out of the game. He even admitted it after the fact. His coach came out and stood up for him because because thats his job and said the wrong thing and got his butt tossed also. So why you are even suggesting that it was someones else fault is beyond me.

So lets see here , based upon your ability to analyze this situation, we can surmise that you are either a Sports Writer with bias, a 3 year old cry baby or just STUPID.

What do you think?

REFANDUMP

We're not mindreaders. Agree completely with the ejections.

ozzy6900

gpdeppert wrote
Bring on the robots: Zack Greinke ejected after four pitches for spiking baseball | Big League Stew - Yahoo! Sports

I am not sure about this one. I think someone was a little sensitive that afternoon.

No surprise that he is part of Joe West's crew. I DEFINITELY do not like the way West kept jawing with Ron Roenicke. As always, West has to be the show.

What do you think?

Spiking the ball, throwing equipment in anger of a call are all ejections in any rule set.

Joe West is the Crew Chief which means he usually will be there when an ejection takes place to see the ejected party out. In this case, Roenicke had to go by Joe to get to the dugout so you don't know who said what, now do you? Typically, Roenicke would jaw at Joe because again, he's the Crew Chief and one of the umpires ejected him. So more than likely, Roenicke started spilling is usual diarrhea and Joe responded.

You obviously are not an umpire for even posting such dribble!

Steven Tyler

jicecone wrote
Your right Zack Greinke was way over sensitive about blowing the play at first and it resulted in a bone-head move that got him thrown out of the game. He even admitted it after the fact. His coach came out and stood up for him because because thats his job and said the wrong thing and got his butt tossed also. So why you are even suggesting that it was someones else fault is beyond me.

So lets see here , based upon your ability to analyze this situation, we can surmise that you are either a Sports Writer with bias, a 3 year old cry baby or just STUPID.

What do you think?

I think somebody's oversensitve this morning...........:rolleyes:

Steven Tyler

ozzy6900 wrote
spiking the ball, throwing equipment in anger of a call are all ejections in any rule set.

Joe west is the crew chief which means he usually will be there when an ejection takes place to see the ejected party out. In this case, roenicke had to go by joe to get to the dugout so you don't know who said what, now do you? Typically, roenicke would jaw at joe because again, he's the crew chief and one of the umpires ejected him. So more than likely, roenicke started spilling is usual diarrhea and joe responded.

You obviously are not an umpire for even posting such dribble!

He's bacccccccccckkkkkkkkkkk......

jicecone

Steven Tyler wrote
I think somebody's oversensitve this morning...........:rolleyes:

I told you before "Realist".

Politically correct or tactfully diplomatic sometimes, just doesn't get the point across.🙂🙂🙂

Dave Reed

BSUmp16 wrote
..... On plays at 1st base a tie DOES go to the runner (6.05(j)). 😉
7.08(e) applies to force plays at any other base (ties go to the defense).

Not a myth - a rule; check it out. 🙂

OK - that takes care of that until next year. No more comments from me 😃

Well, they done changed the rule a couple of years ago, and made the phrasing the same.
6.05(j) After a third strike or after he hits a fair ball, he or first base is tagged before he touches first base;
7.08(e) He or the next base is tagged before he touches the next base, after he has been forced to advance by reason of the batter becoming a runner.

In other words, these days, the "tie" (if you wish to believe in such a thing) goes to the runner in both cases.
Probably better to not trot the above summary out again next year.🙂

lawump

Both ejections (regardless of what the morons broadcasting the game on TV or radio or writing about the game the next day think) were routine, easy EJ's on the professional level. Spiking of equipment after a judgment call by an umpire on a close play is an automatic EJ. If the batter had been called "out" and spiked his helmet after having run through first base...he'd have been tossed, too.

The manager almost assuredly said the "magic words" (made the argument personal) and got the automatic EJ.

So many "professional" sports journalists are making a whole lot out of the EJ of the pitcher which I can't understand. Since baseball began almost 100% of the time players who spike equipment after a close call that does not go their way are ejected.

mbyron

lawump wrote
So many "professional" sports journalists are making a whole lot out of the EJ of the pitcher which I can't understand. Since baseball began almost 100% of the time players who spike equipment after a close call that does not go their way are ejected.

I know exactly why they're making a big deal: trashing umpires is fun and has absolutely no downside. Who's going to tune out, umpire fans?

Greinke went to Holbrook after — you can read his lips — and said, "I was mad at myself." Fine. But it looks as if you're showing up the umpire. Intent is not the only issue when you throw a little tantrum. Appearances matter, too.

Steven Tyler

lawump wrote
Both ejections (regardless of what the morons broadcasting the game on TV or radio or writing about the game the next day think) were routine, easy EJ's on the professional level. Spiking of equipment after a judgment call by an umpire on a close play is an automatic EJ. If the batter had been called "out" and spiked his helmet after having run through first base...he'd have been tossed, too.

The manager almost assuredly said the "magic words" (made the argument personal) and got the automatic EJ.

So many "professional" sports journalists are making a whole lot out of the EJ of the pitcher which I can't understand. Since baseball began almost 100% of the time players who spike equipment after a close call that does not go their way are ejected.

I would have been surprised if he wasn't ejected. Actions can speak louder than words, but sometimes actions are like playing charades. OTOH, I don't think Greinke meant to show up the umpire in any way. Greinke knew he did wrong, and admitted as such after the game.

JR12

mbyron wrote
I know exactly why they're making a big deal: trashing umpires is fun and has absolutely no downside. Who's going to tune out, umpire fans?

Greinke went to Holbrook after — you can read his lips — and said, "I was mad at myself." Fine. But it looks as if you're showing up the umpire. Intent is not the only issue when you throw a little tantrum. Appearances matter, too.

+1 Byron....I want to work with you. You are the voice of reason on this forum.