Two for the new guys...and even some old guys :)

Adam

I'd love the C's angle on the first play. I'm not convinced the T got it wrong, though.

JetMetFan

SNIPERBBB wrote
Btw its 5-8-2

The first teaching moment for me would be don't type without my glasses on 🙂

grunewar

or end a sentence with a preposition.😉

of course, I'm not one to talk as many times as I have been corrected on the forum........ where is mister grammar guy anyhow?

JRutledge

The first play I have a PC foul or nothing. And likely nothing as no one got knocked over and the defense did their job.

The second play I guess it really depends on how much of an injury this was, but unless I see this kid bleeding, I probably would wait until the basket was attacked or stopped being attacked.

Peace

JetMetFan

JRutledge wrote
The first play I have a PC foul or nothing. And likely nothing as no one got knocked over and the defense did their job.

That's why the words "trust you partner" jumped to the front of my mind. It's not in the T's PCA. It's not even in his secondary. I know he didn't have a matchup in front of him but the C has to live or die with that one unless it was an absolute train wreck.

The second play I guess it really depends on how much of an injury this was, but unless I see this kid bleeding, I probably would wait until the basket was attacked or stopped being attacked.

Same. He didn't appear to be unconscious. Nothing was broken/bleeding and he wasn't in danger since the play was heading the other way.

APG

Snaqwells wrote
I'd love the C's angle on the first play. I'm not convinced the T got it wrong, though.

What did the defender do wrong? 😕

First play, that's a play on...it certainly wasn't a block IMO. As for the second play, the official had rules justification if he truly thought the player was seriously injured. I personally wouldn't have stopped play in the situation, but better safe than sorry I suppose.

Nevadaref

These games are being played at Georgetown Prep in Bethesda, MD, which is just outside of DC. That is IAABO Board 12 territory. I don't know if that is who is supplying the officials for the event or if the tourney has brought in other people. Anyone know?

justacoach

On the second play, did anyone notice the slot official tread water about 3 counts while he provided a totally unwarranted 'foul tip' mechanic?

Camron Rust

First play...block. The defender was sliding sideways but never made it into the shooter's path....almost, but not quite. The T got it right, even if it wasn't his call to make (he should have let the C have it or the L...and the L should have been over there).

Second play....let the initial attack complete. If they shoot it or pull it back out, blow the whistle. No need to stop it immediately as the player is in no danger of getting more injured.

just another ref

camron rust wrote
first play...block. The defender was sliding sideways but never made it into the shooter's path....almost, but not quite.

Adam

Camron Rust wrote
First play...block. The defender was sliding sideways but never made it into the shooter's path....almost, but not quite. The T got it right, even if it wasn't his call to make (he should have let the C have it or the L...and the L should have been over there).

Second play....let the initial attack complete. If they shoot it or pull it back out, blow the whistle. No need to stop it immediately as the player is in no danger of getting more injured.

That was what I thought I saw, but I wouldn't have made the call with the camera's angle. It looked like he was still sliding and had his knee out. Again, though, I really don't like our angle.

canuckrefguy

Snaqwells wrote
That was what I thought I saw, but I wouldn't have made the call with the camera's angle. It looked like he was still sliding and had his knee out. Again, though, I really don't like our angle.

Angle or not - that's an awfully quick whistle from the third person out of three that should have a whistle on that play.

Agree on the second play - unless the kid lands directly on his head or something.

JetMetFan

canuckrefguy wrote
Angle or not - that's an awfully quick whistle from the third person out of three that should have a whistle on that play.

That's my main concern. The call itself is obviously important but the fact the T had an immediate whistle isn't good. Obviously you can't see his eyes but just watching his head as the play developed it appears as though he was focused on the ball.

As I said earlier, I know he didn't have anything going on in front of him, meaning he can expand his vision, but he shouldn't be the first - and only - whistle on that play.

justacoach wrote
On the second play, did anyone notice the slot official tread water about 3 counts while he provided a totally unwarranted 'foul tip' mechanic?

I just noticed! That's why I said in another thread some guys just do it out of habit.

Camron Rust

justacoach wrote
On the second play, did anyone notice the slot official tread water about 3 counts while he provided a totally unwarranted 'foul tip' mechanic?

JetMetFan wrote
I just noticed! That's why I said in another thread some guys just do it out of habit.

Not only the C but the L....they were so in sync it looked like an Olympic synchronized swimming competition. The only thing missing were their swim caps.

JRutledge

JetMetFan wrote
That's why the words "trust you partner" jumped to the front of my mind. It's not in the T's PCA. It's not even in his secondary. I know he didn't have a matchup in front of him but the C has to live or die with that one unless it was an absolute train wreck.

Well I do not think trust is much of an issue for me here. I think this is just was this a good call period. This official could make that call if there was something to call, but I think this was a play-through at best. I just think this was a bad judgment, not so much about his partners.

Peace

JugglingReferee

JetMetFan wrote
These are pretty clear cut but I wanted to put them up as teaching moments, especially for less-experienced officials.

This one shows why we should hold true to our PCA and trust our partners:

With this one, based on the criteria in 5-8-2 (NOTE) should the play have been stopped?

I think the T got it wrong.

2nd clip: it's a safety thing. Stopping the game is rarely, if not never, a bad call. My call would have been to allow an immediate attack to the basket.

JRutledge

JugglingReferee wrote
I think the T got it wrong.

2nd clip: it's a safety thing. Stopping the game is rarely, if not never, a bad call. My call would have been to allow an immediate attack to the basket.

I agree it is a safety thing, but players do fake or over exaggerate there being hurt too sometimes to stop the play on the other end. I do not think that is the case here, but it happens enough this play should have continued.

Peace

tref

The first play, whether the call is correct or not isnt the issue, at least give the primary official a crack at it!

No blood, no bone = no stopage

Just because he blew his chance at a highlight play, we stop the potential highlight on the other end??

JugglingReferee

JRutledge wrote
I agree it is a safety thing, but players do fake or over exaggerate their being hurt too; sometimes to stop the play on the other end. I do not think that is the case here, but it happens enough this play should have continued.

Peace

Such things don't happen in small town Ontario. 😀

Multiple Sports

The first play is a no call.......another example of someone trying to be a superstar....justt stay off the play. Someone did mention in a earlier post that their should have been a rotation which I agree with 100%.....