ROP, twice in one game

jTheUmp

tref wrote
Not that its a biggie, but did you tell the coaches in pregame that we expect them to be ready to play on the 2nd horn?

This is part of my pregame talk with the coaches:

"Remember, the first horn ends the timeout, and we're going to put the ball in play immediately after the second horn."

Then, when the coach protests after I use ROP, I can simply say "we talked about in pregame coach, remember?"

tref

jTheUmp wrote
This is part of my pregame talk with the coaches:

"Remember, the first horn ends the timeout, and we're going to put the ball in play immediately after the second horn."

Then, when the coach protests after I use ROP, I can simply say "we talked about in pregame coach, remember?"

They cannot claim anything is "unfair" when we lay it out for them & then follow through.
"Coach, you do remember our pregame conversation?" 😀

tophat67

Shouldn't the opposing team touching the ball out of bounds be a technical foul?

Raymond

tophat67 wrote
Shouldn't the opposing team touching the ball out of bounds be a technical foul?

No, because the ball is not in possession of the thrower nor being passed to a teammate outside of the boundary line. So it would just be a DOG for crossing the throw-in boundary-line plane.

rockyroad

jTheUmp wrote
This is part of my pregame talk with the coaches:

"Remember, the first horn ends the timeout, and we're going to put the ball in play immediately after the second horn."

Then, when the coach protests after I use ROP, I can simply say "we talked about in pregame coach, remember?"

Again - please correct that to say "and we're going to sound the whistle immediately after the second horn and then put the ball in play."

The first horn is a warning that the timeout is about to end - it does not end the timeout. They still have 15 seconds...

just another ref

The pre-game conference is not for explaining individual rules, including this one.

jmo

tref

just another ref wrote
The pre-game conference is not for explaining individual rules, including this one.

jmo

I dont think us saying, "have them ready to play on the 2nd horn" is explaining anything.

Welpe

rockyroad wrote
The first horn is a warning that the timeout is about to end - it does not end the timeout. They still have 15 seconds...

Agreed. They are entitled to their full time.

Scuba_ref

bainsey wrote
...MS girls...

You used the ROP In a girls MS game. Wow:mad:

fiasco

Welpe wrote
Agreed. They are entitled to their full time.

"Huddle on first horn, break on second" is what I say in pre-game.

Welpe

Scuba_ref wrote
You used the ROP In a girls MS game. Wow:mad:

Believe it or not, it does drive the point home. I'm pretty liberal with the amount of time I give them compared to say...JV but they don't get all day before I put the ball down. It sends a clear message to the coach.

bainsey

tref wrote
Did your partner tell the home to leave the ball alone before they got to it OOB?

I think he was caught off guard, and by the time he realized it, the reaction time of any players would have been too late.

rockyroad wrote
Was just going to ask if the administering official sounded his/her whistle before putting the ball on the floor and starting a count...that's part of the RPP.

Affirmative, mechanic followed correctly.

I seldom go ROP in any MS B-level game (7th grade and under), as they usually match up after every single intermission and time-out (and I'm cool with that). For A-level games when the teams are competitive, different story.

We never cover this in pre-game.

Adam

tref wrote
I dont think us saying, "have them ready to play on the 2nd horn" is explaining anything.

Agreed. It's not like we're explaining the details of the rule.

VaTerp

Snaqwells wrote
Agreed. It's not like we're explaining the details of the rule.

The two things I say to a coach during pre-game are pointing out the clearly marked box and ready to play on 2nd horn.

RSturgell

I'm glad I read this because I have been a little reluctant to put the ball back in play. It seems coaches want to push the limits and now w/ adding this to my pregame w/ coaches they will know what is happening.

Raymond

fiasco wrote
"Huddle on first horn, break on second" is what I say in pre-game.

What does "huddle on the first horn" mean?

Adam

BadNewsRef wrote
What does "huddle on the first horn" mean?

I think he's talking about the last part of the time out. "Defense on three."

bainsey

BadNewsRef wrote
What does "huddle on the first horn" mean?

I read this as, you can still be in a huddle when the first horn goes, but you better be on the floor when I hear the second.

Raymond

bainsey wrote
I read this as, you can still be in a huddle when the first horn goes, but you better be on the floor when I hear the second.

Nope, b/c he said break on the 2nd horn. Not on the floor by the 2nd horn.

Adam

Welpe wrote
Believe it or not, it does drive the point home. I'm pretty liberal with the amount of time I give them compared to say...JV but they don't get all day before I put the ball down. It sends a clear message to the coach.

Same here. Often enough, these coaches think they can take their time.