IPAD on the Bench

Mark Padgett

chseagle wrote
One might say that it is also illegal for a coach to have a cell phone on their hip as it may be used for coaching purposes as well.

Right. The coach is going to call his center on his cell during play to give him instructions. Yeah - that'll happen.

Or maybe he'll call Billy Packer for some advice. 😮

rockyroad

Mark Padgett wrote
Right. The coach is going to call his center on his cell during play to give him instructions. Yeah - that'll happen.

Or maybe he'll call Billy Packer for some advice. :eek:

Come on Padgett...they don't call. They text. It's quicker and quieter.

bob jenkins

Mark Padgett wrote
Right. The coach is going to call his center on his cell during play to give him instructions. Yeah - that'll happen.

Or maybe he'll call Billy Packer for some advice. :eek:

He could (not legally) be in contact with another coach who is observing from the top row. THat's the kind of thing FED is trying to avoid.

Raymond

chseagle wrote
At last count, I noticed 21 such apps for the iPad. There's also some available for the iPhone as well.

Why even create such apps if they are not legal for use?

They can be used at practice, on the team bus, in the locker room. They are just not legal on the benches during a game.

Mark Padgett

bob jenkins wrote
He could (not legally) be in contact with another coach who is observing from the top row. THat's the kind of thing FED is trying to avoid.

OK, now I get it. Thanks, Bob.

BktBallRef

I would think that with ever improving technology, the Fed is going to have make some adjustments with regards to portable computers.

Camron Rust

BktBallRef wrote
I would think that with ever improving technology, the Fed is going to have make some adjustments with regards to portable computers.

They could, but why would have have to?

I think their goal is to keep schools from feeling pressure to invest in technology as a way to improve their chance of winning the game.....which would probably lead to an arms race that most schools can't afford. They can't have any influence on what technology a team uses in preparation for the game but certainly can keep it off the sideline.

BillyMac

Camron Rust wrote
Their goal is to keep schools from feeling pressure to invest in technology.

Yeah. Like shot clocks.

bowlingref

I Pad For Refs, instant access to rules they cannot recall.

JRutledge

BillyMac wrote
Yeah. Like shot clocks.

I think the reality is they are trying to avoid constant mistakes that you see on many levels in college with the shot clock. I do not see that as a technology issue rather than an application issue.

Peace

Camron Rust

JRutledge wrote
I think the reality is they are trying to avoid constant mistakes that you see on many levels in college with the shot clock. I do not see that as a technology issue rather than an application issue.

Peace

It is not a technology issue or an application issue, it is $$$$ issue.

JRutledge

Camron Rust wrote
It is not a technology issue or an application issue, it is $$$$ issue.

Probably, but if they allowed the shot clock to be used, and they could still allow it to be used by state adoption, there would be numerous situations of misapplication and at this time no replay to correct those mistakes as we possibly have at the college levels.

Peace

grunewar

Camron Rust wrote
It is not a technology issue or an application issue, it is $$$$ issue.

This is what I've heard too.

JRutledge

grunewar wrote
This is what I've heard too.

I do not think the two things have to be mutually exclusive.

Peace

bob jenkins

JRutledge wrote
I do not think the two things have to be mutually exclusive.

Peace

I think it's a combination of three things:

1) $$$$
2) Timing errors / training
3) Since (most) schools can't recruit, if they feel the best chance to win is to slow the game down, they should be allowed to do so. "Entertainment" is not the issue it is in NCAA / pro.

chseagle

JRutledge wrote
I think the reality is they are trying to avoid constant mistakes that you see on many levels in college with the shot clock. I do not see that as a technology issue rather than an application issue.

Peace

Camron Rust wrote
It is not a technology issue or an application issue, it is $$$$ issue.

bob jenkins wrote
I think it's a combination of three things:

1) $$$$
2) Timing errors / training
3) Since (most) schools can't recruit, if they feel the best chance to win is to slow the game down, they should be allowed to do so. "Entertainment" is not the issue it is in NCAA / pro.

Back in April at the Basketball Rules Committee, they did revisit the idea of adding the adoption of the shot clock.

Struckhoff said the committee again discussed requiring the use of a shot clock in high school basketball, as it has done for several years, but the committee did not approve the proposal.

“Even though there’s growing interest in using a shot clock, the general sense from the committee is that the time isn’t right,” Struckhoff said. “Given the current economic climate, it would be difficult for schools to comply with a rule requiring purchasing new equipment and hiring additional table personnel.”

At last check there are 8 states that have adopted the shot clock. Those eight states are: California, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, North Dakota, South Dakota, Rhode Island and Washington.

Raymond

JRutledge wrote
Probably, but if they allowed the shot clock to be used, and they could still allow it to be used by state adoption, there would be numerous situations of misapplication and at this time no replay to correct those mistakes as we possibly have at the college levels.

Peace

Agree completely. Definitely would be a competency issue, for tables and officials. I know 90% of the HS officials in my area would screw it up regularly.

chseagle

JRutledge wrote
Probably, but if they allowed the shot clock to be used, and they could still allow it to be used by state adoption, there would be numerous situations of misapplication and at this time no replay to correct those mistakes as we possibly have at the college levels.

Peace

BadNewsRef wrote
Agree completely. Definitely would be a competency issue, for tables and officials. I know 90% of the HS officials in my area would screw it up regularly.

Concerning competency of table operations, if the guidelines in Appendix 4 of the Officials Manual would be followed, there would be less chance of errors happening.

Raymond

chseagle wrote
Concerning competency of table operations, if the guidelines in Appendix 4 of the Officials Manual would be followed, there would be less chance of errors happening.

Most HS table personnel don't know there is even such thing as an Official's Manual.

chseagle

BadNewsRef wrote
Most HS table personnel don't know there is even such thing as an Official's Manual.

Very true, also more than likely most table personnel do not know about the rule book.

I've noticed over the past couple of years, that I'm the only table personnel that has reference materials present at the table.

One of the recommendations is that the table personnel read http://www.nfhs.org/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=5180 "Instructions to & duties of scorer & timer for basketball games", yet how many actually do read it?

Concerning shot clock operations, there are similar documents available. However the best way to learn is by doing.