Free Kick Lines

Welpe

Robert Goodman wrote
Uh, ever heard of end zones?

The snark is unecessary. Jason has a very valid point as it is a lot easier to delinate restraining lines when you have actual lines to work with. That and NCAA isn't as simple as Fed when it comes to kick offs and touchbacks.

Robert Goodman

Welpe wrote
The snark is unecessary. Jason has a very valid point as it is a lot easier to delinate restraining lines when you have actual lines to work with.

All you need is the first down chain and wing officials.

Besides, when R/B's restraining line is in their end zone, how serious is the encroachment problem? They're not defending against K/A's potential recovery.

Welpe

Robert Goodman wrote
They're not defending against K/A's potential recovery.

Oh they aren't? So when A line drives a kick off the front B lineman's leg in an attempt to recover in the end zone, we can just guess if a B player is offside or not?

My guess is NCAA has this rule for two reasons. To reduce the instances of A trying to recover in the endzone and to prevent issues with judging offside.

Robert Goodman

Welpe wrote
Oh they aren't? So when A line drives a kick off the front B lineman's leg in an attempt to recover in the end zone, we can just guess if a B player is offside or not?

Whose advantage would it be for him to encroach?

JasonTX

Robert Goodman wrote
Whose advantage would it be for him to encroach?

His, because he may be getting a head start on blocking.

Robert Goodman

JasonTX wrote
His, because he may be getting a head start on blocking.

Seriously? Your restraining line is behind your goal line, and you're looking at blocking?! 😮

You know the kickoff is just going to be a dribbler. What kind of runback could you possibly get on that?

mbyron

Robert Goodman wrote
Seriously? Your restraining line is behind your goal line, and you're looking at blocking?! 😮

You know the kickoff is just going to be a dribbler. What kind of runback could you possibly get on that?

Robert, your questions continually betray the fact that you are not an official (I don't mean that as a putdown, just a fact).

Fans focus on what is probable; officials prepare themselves for what is possible.

Robert Goodman

mbyron wrote
Robert, your questions continually betray the fact that you are not an official (I don't mean that as a putdown, just a fact).

Fans focus on what is probable; officials prepare themselves for what is possible.

But that's belied by the many remarks I've read here -- one even in this thread -- wherein it seems officials go out of their way to try to see to it that players don't do something stupid. What else would've been the purpose of explaining the situation to the captains as described upthread?

SC Ump

Welpe wrote
Oh they aren't? So when A line drives a kick off the front B lineman's leg in an attempt to recover in the end zone, we can just guess if a B player is offside or not?

For Fed, is this play even possible? If B's (a.k.a. R's) free kick line has been backed up into the end zone, how could an 'on sides kick' work if:

SECTION 3 TOUCHBACK

ART. 1 . . . It is a touchback if any free kick or scrimmage kick
a. Which is not a scoring attempt or which is a grounded three-point breaks the plane of R’s goal line...

Welpe

No, not possible in Fed. It is in NCAA though.

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