Screaming Player

Raymond

LearningREF wrote
Thanks guys. I'd like to just ignore it and may have no choice but to do that.

...The coach is also a loudmouth who doesn't stay in the coach's box, etc. ...

This is something you do not ignore and for which there is a rule.

stir22

Mark Padgett wrote
I would invoke the "TN" rule.

Sorry for my ignorance, but I'm a newer guy who just finished his third year.

What does "TN" stand for?

/thank you

Mark Padgett

stir22 wrote
Sorry for my ignorance, but I'm a newer guy who just finished his third year.

What does "TN" stand for?

/thank you

"Tough Noogies".

Nevadaref

Bad Zebra wrote
Typical AAU nonsense. Warn the coach ONCE that you consider it unsporting behavior. Give him a chance to fix it and then T should be served. Allowing that $hlt to continue only makes it more difficult for the next crew and emboldens the coach. If the tournament director has a problem with it, you'll know soon enough...and if (s)he does have a problem with your call, that's a good reason to not work that tournament.

I concur. This behavior is not proper for basketball.

4-19-14 . . . An unsporting foul is a noncontact technical foul which consists
of unfair, unethical, dishonorable conduct or any behavior not in accordance with
the spirit of fair play.

Bad Zebra

Nevadaref wrote
I concur. This behavior is not proper for basketball.

4-19-14 . . . An unsporting foul is a noncontact technical foul which consists
of unfair, unethical, dishonorable conduct or any behavior not in accordance with
the spirit of fair play.

It seems like AAU wrote the book on dishonorable conduct...not just the coaches either. AAU Basketball parents are like nothing else in sports.

twocentsworth

since when did we start officiating the game of basketball like it's a tennis match?

annoying yes....illegal no.

bainsey

twocentsworth wrote
annoying yes....illegal no.

On the contrary. If the purpose of the screaming is to bait or taunt -- and that's obvious, in this case -- it's illegal. (NFHS 10-3-6c)

There are those that believe to warn, then whack, but if it's as bloodcurdling as the OP says, perhaps jumping straight to whack would be effective.

Adam

bainsey wrote
On the contrary. If the purpose of the screaming is to bait or taunt -- and that's obvious, in this case -- it's illegal. (NFHS 10-3-6c)

There are those that believe to warn, then whack, but if it's as bloodcurdling as the OP says, perhaps jumping straight to whack would be effective.

True, but do you really think that's the purpose of screaming the entire game? No, it's to annoy. If she was screaming "ball ball ball" we'd do nothing, no matter how loudly she was doing it.

This is not a taunting situation, period.

bainsey

Snaqwells wrote
it's to annoy....This is not a taunting situation, period.

😮

BktBallRef

Snaqwells wrote
True, but do you really think that's the purpose of screaming the entire game? No, it's to annoy. If she was screaming "ball ball ball" we'd do nothing, no matter how loudly she was doing it.

That's just the point, she's NOT screaming "Ball! Ball! Ball!"

I can see some merit in that, i.e., acknowledging that her opponent has picked up the dribble.

But just screaming to be screaming? I've watched thousnads of basketball games, in person and on TV. I've never seen it done. It's not part of the game. I'll warn her and then T her up if she continues. And if the tournament director has a problem with it, he can send me home. I don't givea****.

Adam

BktBallRef wrote
That's just the point, she's NOT screaming "Ball! Ball! Ball!"

I can see some merit in that, i.e., acknowledging that her opponent has picked up the dribble.

But just screaming to be screaming? I've watched thousnads of basketball games, in person and on TV. I've never seen it done. It's not part of the game. I'll warn her and then T her up if she continues. And if the tournament director has a problem with it, he can send me home. I don't givea****.

I've got no problem giving her a T, but I'm not going to call it taunting or baiting. It's simply unsporting, IMO, at worst. It's coached as a distraction tactic, she's not baiting or taunting the opponent.

BillyMac

Had a player, guarding the inbounder, yell out "One. Two. Three. Four. Five.", in a scrimmage last season. I asked him to please cut it out, which he did. His coach, from another state, asked me about it. I told him that it just didn't seem "sporting" to me, plus, his player may have been trying to influence my count. Coach said, "OK".

ontheway

yeah ima newbie too i would use discernment when it becomes a spectacle and effects the game you should do something

LearningREF

Well, sure enough, she was screaming this weekend. My God, it's loud! My partner didn't want to do anything. We discussed it during the first timeout and he said he'd never heard anything like it before but didn't think it was a big deal. She actually got louder as the game went on. Late in the first half, I finally told her to cut it out which she did. At halftime, my partner said I should really let it go. Then, she started up again with about two minutes to go in the game and the whole team started screaming whenever someone on the other team took a shot. Didn't scream shot, just screamed. After the game, I asked the coach what the purpose was for teaching that and he said that he didn't teach it at all. He actually tells the kids to yell ball ball ball and shot but they just scream instead. Wow, I thought...what a liar.

Mark Padgett

Like probably all of you, I've had girls (mostly) yell "BALL BALL BALL BALL..." on inbound plays. When that happens, the next time there's an inbound I tell the girl, "You don't have to yell ball, ball, ball. We already know it's a ball." Sometimes I get a smile and they stop. At least it's worth a try.

bainsey

LearningREF wrote
Then, she started up again with about two minutes to go in the game and the whole team started screaming whenever someone on the other team took a shot. Didn't scream shot, just screamed.

This is why you nip this crud in the bud. You can't complain about it, if you have the power to do something about it, but choose not to.

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