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APG

I meant multiple ejections in a single game...not necessarily how many times a player is ejected in a year. And even the stat you brought up doesn't tell how they were ejected. I know at least two of those ejections were from flagrant fouls during the course of play....which wasn't the type of ejection I believe was being mentioned.

And you're right there are some games which there might be bunch of T's...over a six month plus time period, I would expect as much. Heck tonight would fit description.

zakman2005000

BktBallRef wrote
7 NBA players have been ejected multiple times this year.

3 ejections tonight in the Wizards-Heat game.

In January, 4 ejections in a Lakers-Clippers game.

Rockets-Suns had 7 T's and 2 ejections a couple of seasons ago

About 3 years, 10 players were ejected in a Nuggets-Knicks game.

We all remember the Pacers-Pistons.

And those are just the ones I remember. Several ejections and a bunch of T's happens 2 or 3 times during every NBA season. Not uncommon.

So...2 or 3 times out of all games played during a season makes it uncommon? LOL.

grunewar

Without going back and running the numbers, would it be correct to say there are more T's (multiple or otherwise) and ejections at the NBE level than the College or HS level? Thoughts?

That was the point I was trying to make, right or wrong.

PS - correct Stiffler, on the going to NBA games. If the opportunity presents itself and the price is right, I'll take in a game. But, I'm not sitting in the nosebleed section, to watch the game on the Big Score Board, for $75!

Jurassic Referee

JRutledge wrote
I saw the post. But you are not the first that listens more to the media than watches actual games. If you did, you would not be surprised by traveling being called in the NBA. No big deal, just if you watch games you will stop believing the media when they make statements about the NBA. You know like the stars get all the calls is a myth too they repeat. I am not a huge fan of the NBA, but I do watch games from time to time and see things are not always what is written or talked about.

It's not the traveling that is being called. It's the traveling that isn't being called. You know, the "crab dribbles" of the world.

It's more a question of consistency in play calling imo.

JRutledge

Jurassic Referee wrote
It's not the traveling that is being called. It's the traveling that isn't being called. You know, the "crab dribbles" of the world.

It's more a question of consistency in play calling imo.

We all know your position on the NBA, but then again I wonder if you even watch. No point in talking to you about what actually goes on in that league.

Peace

Jurassic Referee

JRutledge wrote
We all know your position on the NBA, but then again I wonder if you even watch. No point in talking to you about what actually goes on in that league.

Well, I made that preceding post after watching LeBron James take 5 freaking steps to the basket without a whistle. He just kept taking 'em until he got there. Does that answer your question?

I turn the NBA games on occasionally when there's nothing else to watch. And every time that I do, I can NOT tell you or anybody else what either a foul or traveling is supposed to be in that league. And I ain't the only one either, Jeff.

JRutledge

Jurassic Referee wrote
Well, I made that preceding post after watching LeBron James take 5 freaking steps to the basket without a whistle. He just kept taking 'em until he got there. Does that answer your question?

OK and I could make similar statements in any game I see with the feet shuffled or the moves that go uncalled. Heck there are many situations in the NCAA Men's Tournament where that same thing could be said. I do not think that the officials are just ignoring the rules. And do not get me started with all the travels I see called during HS games that clearly are not there on basic moves that are legal, like a jump stop. It is a running joke in my area that suburban officials do not see this move and automatically call it a travel.

Jurassic Referee wrote
I turn the NBA games on occasionally when there's nothing else to watch. And every time that I do, I can NOT tell you or anybody else what either a foul or traveling is supposed to be in that league. And I ain't the only one either, Jeff.

For one they have different rules about the post (which I was unaware of until very recently) and they allow certain things other levels do not allow. That is there right like the NFL has rules that do not apply at the college or HS level. Not sure the shock there. But to say you cannot identify a foul seems rather silly to me. For one these are better athletes and higher leapers that might have something to do with what you identify. Secondly they call things much more consistently than I ever see at a HS game for sure and in many college games. Then again, you have to actually talk to people that work those levels to maybe understand what some broadcaster says. I did not say you were the only one and honestly that is not the point. But that does not mean you are educated on the issue either. And I am not the only one that reads your comments about the NBA and feels you are way off base. But then again some of us have tried to learn what those guys do and have talked or been to clinics with NBA officials and sit from a far complaining it is not like the level "we" work. Just like I do when I want to understand what I see in football and why a holding is seen differently than the level I work.

Oh well, we have had this discussion before. We will just have to agree to disagree once again.

Peace

Adam

JRutledge wrote
OK and I could make similar statements in any game I see with the feet shuffled or the moves that go uncalled. Heck there are many situations in the NCAA Men's Tournament where that same thing could be said. I do not think that the officials are just ignoring the rules. And do not get me started with all the travels I see called during HS games that clearly are not there on basic moves that are legal, like a jump stop. It is a running joke in my area that suburban officials do not see this move and automatically call it a travel.

Must be an area thing; suburban officials here see it plenty and call it correctly. Even at the JV level.

Welpe

One thing I will give the NBA credit for is that the officials don't take any crap from players or coaches and will stick them when necessary. That is nice to see, especially when an NFL coach can sacrifice goats and chickens on the sideline and not even get a warning.

APG

Another game with multiple ejections...five to be exact! I see a trend...I expect to see multiple ejections as a very common thing towards the end of the season. 😉

grunewar

AllPurposeGamer wrote
Another game with multiple ejections...five to be exact! I see a trend...I expect to see multiple ejections as a very common thing towards the end of the season. 😉

I guess you were talking about the Mavs vs Lakers.

Some interesting video footage here. Foul? What foul?

Video: A bizarre and wild fight between the Lakers and Mavericks - Ball Don't Lie - NBABlog - Yahoo! Sports

APG

grunewar wrote
I guess you were talking about the Mavs vs Lakers.

Some interesting video footage here. Foul? What foul?

Video: A bizarre and wild fight between the Lakers and Mavericks - Ball Don't Lie - NBABlog - Yahoo! Sports

Well there were only two games last night haha...

It was a crazy fourth quarter with the four ejections due to that "brouhaha," then soon after three fans were ejected including one instance where the officials stopped a free throw due to a fan trying to rush the court (who happened to be partially clothed). The ushers did a great job of squashing. Then to end the night, there was a final ejection with less than two minutes left.

Victor74

JRutledge wrote
I saw the post. But you are not the first that listens more to the media than watches actual games. If you did, you would not be surprised by traveling being called in the NBA. No big deal, just if you watch games you will stop believing the media when they make statements about the NBA. You know like the stars get all the calls is a myth too they repeat. I am not a huge fan of the NBA, but I do watch games from time to time and see things are not always what is written or talked about.

Peace

THank you. People will believe what it is they want to believe. The common and misinformed opinion is that NBA officials are terrible. Watch an NBA game with NBA rule knowledge and you'll come away with more respect for those officials. They do have a 97-98% accuracy rate. And in the NBA, the key word in determining what is and what is not a travel often times is the word "gather". What that really means can be open to interpretation, but they have to gather the ball. Travelling, palming and even double dribbling are called in the NBA (which I attend 22 games).

Jurassic Referee

Victor74 wrote
The common and misinformed opinion is that NBA officials are terrible.

Actually the common opinion is that NBA officials are fine. They're doing exactly what they're being told to do. It's their supervision that's suspect.

The league is solely entertainment based and the league wants it officiated that way. That's why the stars are allowed their crab dribbles and rarely foul out.

JMO

Jay R

I have an NBA rules question maybe someone could answer regarding the Heat-Wizards game.

During play, Z. Ilgausskas (sp?) and John Hall get tangled up. Javel Mcghee (sp?) tries to join in and Juwan Howard comes in and shoves Mcghee. There is some further shoving and words. The refs look at the monitor and assess all four players a technical and three of the four are ejected from the game. When play resumes, each team shoots two free throws and the Heat get the ball back. How do four technicals and three ejections result in each team getting two free throws?

BktBallRef

AllPurposeGamer wrote
I meant multiple ejections in a single game...not necessarily how many times a player is ejected in a year.

I know what you meant. That doesn't mean I can't point out how many idiots have been ejected more than twice this year.

And even the stat you brought up doesn't tell how they were ejected. I know at least two of those ejections were from flagrant fouls during the course of play....which wasn't the type of ejection I believe was being mentioned.

I wasn't concerned with how they were ejected. I simply said multiple ejections are not uncommon and then pointed to a few examples.

zakman2005000 wrote
So...2 or 3 times out of all games played during a season makes it uncommon? LOL.

If you can't comprehend what's being written, then have someone smarter that you, like an 8 y/o read it and explain it.

I didn't say it was uncommon. I said it "it's not uncommon."

I also said these are just a few of the games I recall with 3 or more ejections. I didn't research it but I'm sure there are more. Feel free to have that 8 y/o help you research it.

grunewar wrote
Without going back and running the numbers, would it be correct to say there are more T's (multiple or otherwise) and ejections at the NBE level than the College or HS level? Thoughts?

That was the point I was trying to make, right or wrong.

You were correct and on point.

mbyron

Jay R wrote
I have an NBA rules question maybe someone could answer regarding the Heat-Wizards game.

During play, Z. Ilgausskas (sp?) and John Hall get tangled up. Javel Mcghee (sp?) tries to join in and Juwan Howard comes in and shoves Mcghee. There is some further shoving and words. The refs look at the monitor and assess all four players a technical and three of the four are ejected from the game. When play resumes, each team shoots two free throws and the Heat get the ball back. How do four technicals and three ejections result in each team getting two free throws?

I didn't see the play and don't know NBA rules, but here's a guess: 1 live-ball flagrant personal foul, 2 offsetting flagrant technical fouls, and 1 other technical. Shoot the free throws for the flagrant personal and other technical.

APG

Jay R wrote
I have an NBA rules question maybe someone could answer regarding the Heat-Wizards game.

During play, Z. Ilgausskas (sp?) and John Hall get tangled up. Javel Mcghee (sp?) tries to join in and Juwan Howard comes in and shoves Mcghee. There is some further shoving and words. The refs look at the monitor and assess all four players a technical and three of the four are ejected from the game. When play resumes, each team shoots two free throws and the Heat get the ball back. How do four technicals and three ejections result in each team getting two free throws?

After going back and looking at the game again, the officials went to replay due to a player altercation that was not immediately resolved. After the replay, they assessed a flagrant foul penalty two to Ilgausskas for deliberately swinging his elbow and making unnecessary and excessive contact and John Wall for his swing and hit with his forearm/elbow. Those two were ejected. Juwan Howard was issued a technical foul and was ejected because he was an escalator during the altercation. McGhee was also issued a technical foul but wasn't ejected. The two technical fouls become double technical fouls and cancel out. Shoot the free throws for Ilgausskas' flagrant foul since it occurred first, shoot the shots for Wall's flagrant foul. Since his occurred last, Heat have the ball at the free throw line extended in their frontcourt with a fresh 24 second shot clock.

To conclude:
2 FF'2= 4 FTS
2 T= Double T's so no FTs awarded

A Pennsylvania Coach

According to the stats at ESPN.com, there have been 63 total ejections this year, out of about 1140 total games played. On average there is one ejection for every 18 games played.

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