2011 NCAAM Sweet 16

tref

JRutledge wrote
I know this is hard for some to grasp, but not everyone has the same judgment.

Which is why the NBA ruleset is superior, clear path = no judgment.

tref wrote
I think the leagues rules are written best, terms like gather & clear path are clear cut & takes the judgment out of the equation.

If we added gather to our books, we would have less do overs for obvious shooting fouls too,

JRutledge wrote
It is? Where does it say that in the rulebook?

It doesnt...

Anywho, I'm done with this one. How about them Jayhawks??

JRutledge

tref wrote
Which is why the NBA ruleset is superior, clear path = no judgment.

OK, but it even appears there is judgment based on the rules quoted. But if you believe so OK. Oh and if you think there still would not be judgment, then you have a lot to learn about officiating. There is always judgment when decisions are being made even when rules are much more precise and specific.

tref wrote
If we added gather to our books, we would have less do overs for obvious shooting fouls too,

It doesnt...

Anywho, I'm done with this one. How about them Jayhawks??

There are do overs on shooting fouls (or you are seeing them a lot)? OK, I guess.

Peace

Adam

While it's ovious to me, it obviously wasn't to the guys on the floor; that means something. I don't think the time and score matter, although previous action (hard fouls) might. Personally, I have this as an intentional at any point in the game. I'll live with the fact that it probably means I won't work in Peoria.

JRutledge

Snaqwells wrote
While it's ovious to me, it obviously wasn't to the guys on the floor; that means something. I don't think the time and score matter, although previous action (hard fouls) might. Personally, I have this as an intentional at any point in the game. I'll live with the fact that it probably means I won't work in Peoria.

If you change the fact that he was going to the basket and no one but those two were around, I do not see how this would be an intentional foul. Which is why I do not use standards like "clear path" to make these calls.

Peace

just another ref

snaqwells wrote
seeing the entire play, even if the initial swipe was at the ball, i'm still int.

At best, you have one player committing multiple fouls against an airborne shooter, the second of which is intentional. I'm penalizing the more severe foul here.

APG

From the VCU vs. Kansas game:

Agree/disagree? Some discussion about this play in the chat room when it happened live...was it actually a hold or not and if we had to put air in the whistle on this one.

APG

From the VCU vs. Kansas game:

Was this player in the act of shooting? Should continuous motion have applied here? This was a play that preceded the technical on the VCU head coach Shaka Smart. IMO, I thought he was in the act of shooting.

mbyron

AllPurposeGamer wrote
From the VCU vs. Kansas game:

Agree/disagree? Some discussion about this play in the chat room when it happened live...was it actually a hold or not and if we had to put air in the whistle on this one.

Play from post 180: I don't see a hold, but the L might have had a better look at the right hand.

More important: you guys are blowing whistles in the chat room? 😮

Raymond

AllPurposeGamer wrote
From the VCU vs. Kansas game:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/Gly0KmkRFG8?hd=1

Agree/disagree? Some discussion about this play in the chat room when it happened live...was it actually a hold or not and if we had to put air in the whistle on this one.

Not only was it a foul, Taylor is lucky he didnt' get rung up afterwards.

mbyron

AllPurposeGamer wrote
From the VCU vs. Kansas game:

Was this player in the act of shooting? Should continuous motion have applied here? This was a play that preceded the technical on the VCU head coach Shaka Smart. IMO, I thought he was in the act of shooting.

Play in post 181:

Hard to tell: as you know, we can call it a shooting foul if we judge that the foul prevented the release of the shot. I don't think the contact was anywhere near the ball, so I can understand not calling it a shooting foul, absent a release of the shot.

APG

Block/charge play from the VCU vs. Kansas game

Raymond

AllPurposeGamer wrote
From the VCU vs. Kansas game:

YouTube - Act Of Shooting?

Was this player in the act of shooting? Should continuous motion have applied here? This was a play that preceded the technical on the VCU head coach Shaka Smart. IMO, I thought he was in the act of shooting.

I didn't see that much of the game. Appears to be act of shooting but there was also #21 set up for a wide open 3-pointer. Had that post player kicked the ball out on previous plays?

And another KU player running his mouth. KU players didn't acquit themselves very well this weekend in San Antonio behavior wise.

JRutledge

AllPurposeGamer wrote
From the VCU vs. Kansas game:

Agree/disagree? Some discussion about this play in the chat room when it happened live...was it actually a hold or not and if we had to put air in the whistle on this one.

Looks like a hold to me. It does not look like he gets to the ball without doing that. Good call in my opinion.

Peace

JRutledge

AllPurposeGamer wrote
From the VCU vs. Kansas game:

Was this player in the act of shooting? Should continuous motion have applied here? This was a play that preceded the technical on the VCU head coach Shaka Smart. IMO, I thought he was in the act of shooting.

Act of shooting IMO. Not sure how it was not called that way in the first place.

Peace

Raymond

AllPurposeGamer wrote
Block/charge play from the VCU vs. Kansas game

http://www.youtube.com/embed/I2VxRiCFplU?hd=1

That's a flop.

rockyroad

BadNewsRef wrote
That's a flop.

No, it wasn't just a flop, imho. The defender stuck his left knee into the the offensive player's legs and caused him to stumble. That takes it from just being a flop to being a block. I thought this was a great call.

Adam

JRutledge wrote
Act of shooting IMO. Not sure how it was not called that way in the first place.

Peace

Must not have been obvious. 😀

Multiple Sports

Can't find this play anywhere on this thread. Remember when the Butler kid hurt his knee on a rebound in the 2nd half and fell to the ground in pain. It looked like to me he had the ball when he landed on the ground. Does anyone think that should have been called a travel. He didn't ask for a T.O. .........thoughts??????

Camron Rust

mbyron wrote
Play from post 180: I don't see a hold, but the L might have had a better look at the right hand.

180...Hold...the defender "off" arm was wrapped around the opponent's waist giving him leverage to get to the ball.

Camron Rust

AllPurposeGamer wrote
Block/charge play from the VCU vs. Kansas game

Block.... steeping forward and sticking the knee out.

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