Spot OOB violation mechanic

parneli

What is the proper mechanic for Violation of the OOB spot throw in by player running along the end line?

Point to spot and move your arm parallel to end line?

stiffler3492

Had one yesterday. I just whistled, said "Throw-in violation", and pointed the other way.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

stiffler3492 wrote
Had one yesterday. I just whistled, said "Throw-in violation", and pointed the other way.

Stiffler:

A good example of keeping it short and simple unlike many of my posts.

MTD, Sr.

P.S. I hope you are making good money from your American Pie movie residuals. 😀

MelbRef

parneli wrote
Point to spot and move your arm parallel to end line?

Right or wrong, this is what I do.

Jurassic Referee

Use NFHS Signal #26- designated spot violation...of course, of course....

parneli

Jurassic Referee wrote
Use NFHS Signal #26- designated spot violation...of course, of course....

I knew it was in there somewhere. Just had a brain f..t and couldn't remember. I am going to enjoy winning this beer bet.

rockyroad

parneli wrote
I knew it was in there somewhere. Just had a brain f..t and couldn't remember. I am going to enjoy winning this beer bet.

Let me guess - someone told you that you should use the traveling signal, and now owes you a beer?!!?

parneli

rockyroad wrote
Let me guess - someone told you that you should use the traveling signal, and now owes you a beer?!!?

Yes, Informed the "older timer" than I that there is no traveling out of bounds. I can taste it now, but what goes around comes around. --maybe a real good micro brew--- yes, that sounds very tasty

PG_Ref

Jurassic Referee wrote
Use NFHS Signal #26- designated spot violation...of course, of course....

Or the IAABO mechanic on page 198

Jurassic Referee

PG_Ref wrote
Or if you're from an IAABO board use the IAABO mechanic on page 198

Fixed it for ya.

"Or" ain't an option for the great majority of officials who are non-IAABO members.

Is the IAABO mechanic different than the NFHS signal?

PG_Ref

Jurassic Referee wrote
Fixed it for ya.

"Or" ain't an option for the great majority of officials who are non-IAABO members.

Is the IAABO mechanic different than the NFHS signal?

Pretty much the same ... I guess it depends on how you look at the cartoon man 😎

BillyMac

Jurassic Referee wrote
Is the IAABO mechanic different than the NFHS signal?

I just realized something. For thirty years I've been giving the wrong signal for a five second throwin violation. I've always given the five finger open hand signal, the same signal we use for a five second closely guarded violation. I've only used the signal above for designated spot, or throwin player onto the court, throwin violations. According to the IAABO manual were supposed to give the same signal, above, for all throw in violations.

Comments?

DLH17

BillyMac wrote

I just realized something. For thirty years I've been giving the wrong signal for a five second throwin violation. I've always given the five finger open hand signal, the same signal we use for a five second closely guarded violation. I've only used the signal above for designated spot, or throwin player onto the court, throwin violations. According to the IAABO manual and, I believe, the NFHS manual, were supposed to give the same signal, above, for all throw in violations.

Comments?

Maybe use the official Fed mechanic followed by an open hand "5 count" solely for the benefit of the coach who's player committed the violation since he/she probably won't have a clue what the proper mechanic is communicating?

Jurassic Referee

BillyMac wrote

I just realized something. For thirty years I've been giving the wrong signal for a five second throwin violation. I've always given the five finger open hand signal, the same signal we use for a five second closely guarded violation. I've only used the signal above for designated spot, or throwin player onto the court, throwin violations. According to the IAABO manual and, I believe, the NFHS manual, were supposed to give the same signal, above, for all throw in violations.

Comments?

I just realized something. You think waaaaaaaay too much.

See NFHS signal 24.

BillyMac

Jurassic Referee wrote
See NFHS signal 24.

Similar signal in the IAABO mechanics manual says "Five Seconds Closely Guarded". There is no "Five Second Violation" (like NFHS Signal 24) in the IAABO manual.

Jurassic Referee

BillyMac wrote
Similar signal in the IAABO mechanics manual says "Five Seconds Closely Guarded". There is no "Five Second Violation" (like NFHS Signal 24) in the IAABO manual.

Doesn't mean you're wrong, Billy. Means some IAABO rules-making monkey is wrong, trying to improve on something that didn't need improving in the first place. The open-handed 5 finger signal has been de rigeur everywhere on a throw-in time violation as long as I've been around afaik. The purpose of any signal is tell everybody in the gym what you just called. And NFHS signal #24 does that in this case. Using signal #26 instead...like IAABO wants you too...will just confuse everbody in the gym, including your partners. Nobody will have a clue whether you called a 5-second violation or a spot violation.

Stoopid IAABO rules-making monkeys!

BillyMac

Jurassic Referee wrote
Using signal #26 instead, like IAABO wants you too, will just confuse everybody in the gym, including your partners. Nobody will have a clue whether you called a 5-second violation or a spot violation.

Thus the title of my post previous post: Stupid IAABO Mechanics ...

Just what was the problem with IAABO continuing to use NFHS mechanics anyway?

Jurassic Referee

BillyMac wrote
Just what was the problem with IAABO continuing to use NFHS mechanics anyway?

That's what's confusing to me also, Billy. I thought they'd use the same signals at least. They're standard and have been around a long time.

Just for my own edification, I e-mailed a nameless IAABO board interpreter whose knowledge of the game and rules I have a very deep respect for about this. Had an initial response and just waiting for his reply to some follow-up questions. Wierd.

Jurassic Referee

BillyMac wrote
I just realized something. For thirty years I've been giving the wrong signal for a five second throwin violation. I've always given the five finger open hand signal, the same signal we use for a five second closely guarded violation. I've only used the signal above for designated spot, or throwin player onto the court, throwin violations. According to the IAABO manual were supposed to give the same signal, above, for all throw in violations.

Comments?

The first responses from the inquiries that I made to an esteemed IAABO rules interpreter that I know...who e-mailed some fellow esteemed IAABO rules interpreters....is that your IAABO signal #24 is labelled wrong and should be labelled the same as the NFHS signal #24...i.e. 5 second violation. They also said that they teach and use the 5 finger open-handed signal( signal #24) for all 5-second throw-in violations.

I'm awaiting further responses.

Adam

Jurassic Referee wrote
The first responses from the inquiries that I made to an esteemed IAABO rules interpreter that I know...who e-mailed some fellow esteemed IAABO rules interpreters....is that your IAABO signal #24 is labelled wrong and should be labelled the same as the NFHS signal #24...i.e. 5 second violation. They also said that they teach and use the 5 finger open-handed signal( signal #24) for all 5-second throw-in violations.

I'm awaiting further responses.

I figured this was simply an editorial mistake. I've never been corrected for using #24 for this violation.