OT-Article on Questionable Calls in NBA

just another ref

Jurassic Referee wrote
In any NBA final game:
1) the losing team and their local papers & fans will say that they lost because of the officials.
2) the winning team and their local papers and fans will say they won in spite of the officials.

This can apply at ANY level.

bainsey

AustinRef wrote
I am definitely in the wrong profession if that guy got paid to write that article. Great piece of journalism!

That ain't journalism, Tex. It's just an opinion piece, nothing more.

I'm open-minded to eliminating the foul-out rule in favor of two-shots-and-the-ball, etc., but I still have a feeling that, were it put in place, contact would signficantly increase, and we would all regret such a move.

The thing that threw me off last night, though, was the block call on the play shown in the photo. All I could see was LGP, and it just makes it more difficult for us when we make charge calls on obvious plays like that.

And the writer wants a no-call? Why should the defense get punished for having LGP and getting leveled?

grunewar

And so it goes......

Doc Rivers of Boston Celtics complains about refereeing, sends videotape to league office - ESPN

APG

bainsey wrote
That ain't journalism, Tex. It's just an opinion piece, nothing more.

I'm open-minded to eliminating the foul-out rule in favor of two-shots-and-the-ball, etc., but I still have a feeling that, were it put in place, contact would signficantly increase, and we would all regret such a move.

The thing that threw me off last night, though, was the block call on the play shown in the photo. All I could see was LGP, and it just makes it more difficult for us when we make charge calls on obvious plays like that.

And the writer wants a no-call? Why should the defense get punished for having LGP and getting leveled?

Are you talking about the play in the photo with Derek Fisher and Ray Allen? Cause Bill Kennedy most definitely came in with a charge from the lead position.

Judtech

Snaqwells wrote
And I would rather see the players adjust and stop fouling.

Well if we don't call it then it is not a foul!!!:p

grunewar

from the article:

"A dribbler drives, a defender steps in, both fall, and one or the other is charged with a foul, even though, if a thousand refs were polled, 500 would call "block" and 500 would call "charge."

OK, so maybe it would be 501-499 here. 😛

Jurassic Referee

grunewar wrote
from the article:

"A dribbler drives, a defender steps in, both fall, and one or the other is charged with a foul, even though, if a thousand refs were polled, 500 would call "block" and 500 would call "charge."

OK, so maybe it would be 501-499 here. :p

If the dribbler was Kobe Bryant and the defender was Joe Benchwarmer, the poll of NBA refs goes up to 999 "blocks" and "Joey Crawford". 😛

bainsey

AllPurposeGamer wrote
Are you talking about the play in the photo with Derek Fisher and Ray Allen? Cause Bill Kennedy most definitely came in with a charge from the lead position.

I could have my plays crossed. There was one similar to the photo where there was clearly LGP, yet a block was called on the Lakers. It really got to me, and I'm a Celtics' fan.

When such things are called blocks, it makes it more difficult on us, especially fighting the mentality that charging fouls rip off the offense. It's almost like a charge is some silly taboo in some people's minds.

Adam

grunewar wrote
And so it goes......

Doc Rivers of Boston Celtics complains about refereeing, sends videotape to league office - ESPN

Why do they bother sending tape? Do they think the league office doesn't have a copy?

grunewar

Snaqwells wrote
Why do they bother sending tape? Do they think the league office doesn't have a copy?

These "public announcements" by coaches and players are getting totally out of hand. Phil Jackson's been doing it like, forever. Just trying to "game" the officials and get that one critical call to go their way........

Adam

grunewar wrote
These "public announcements" by coaches and players are getting totally out of hand. Phil Jackson's been doing it like, forever. Just trying to "game" the officials and get that one critical call to go their way........

I know. I just thought it was funny that they're sending a tape. It's like giving Jay Leno a car.

APG

bainsey wrote
I could have my plays crossed. There was one similar to the photo where there was clearly LGP, yet a block was called on the Lakers. It really got to me, and I'm a Celtics' fan.

When such things are called blocks, it makes it more difficult on us, especially fighting the mentality that charging fouls rip off the offense. It's almost like a charge is some silly taboo in some people's minds.

You're probably thinking about the play where Derek Fisher tried to take a charge on Rajon Rando. I believe it was on a fastbreak. I agree that Fisher had his torso in Rando's straight line path, but at the last second, Rando stepped and jump to the side and Fisher took the contact more in the side. I agreed with the blocking foul that was called.

MD Longhorn

grunewar wrote
And so it goes......

Doc Rivers of Boston Celtics complains about refereeing, sends videotape to league office - ESPN

Videotape? Do people still use those?

just another ref

mbcrowder wrote
Videotape? Do people still use those?

Warner Wolf does.

BktBallRef

Did anyone see the 3 second call on Garnett in the 3rd period tonight? Boston inbounds the ball after a Laker basket, Rondo dribble up the floor. At the 20 second mark on the shot clock, "Tweet," 3 seconds.

The call was correct. Does anyone know why? 😀

bainsey

Was that the play where Mike Breen was saying the ball was two seconds in the backcourt? I have to give credit for the play-by-play guy actually knowing the rule.

I guess there's no "benefit of the doubt" if you're backing out of the lane on the three-count, at least not that time.

grunewar

just another ref wrote
Warner Wolf does.

That's taking me back. Thanks JAR!

BillyMac

just another ref wrote
Warner Wolf does.

grunewar wrote
That's taking me back.

"Let's go to the videotape."

rockyroad

BktBallRef wrote
Did anyone see the 3 second call on Garnett in the 3rd period tonight? Boston inbounds the ball after a Laker basket, Rondo dribble up the floor. At the 20 second mark on the shot clock, "Tweet," 3 seconds.

The call was correct. Does anyone know why? 😃

Why was it correct?

I really didn't mind it that much, as I thought it was a better call than calling a foul on Garnett for displacing Gasol as violently as he did...but I'm not sure that makes the call "correct".

Camron Rust

rockyroad wrote
Why was it correct?

I really didn't mind it that much, as I thought it was a better call than calling a foul on Garnett for displacing Gasol as violently as he did...but I'm not sure that makes the call "correct".

Didn't see that part of the game....was the initial pass to Rondo in the frontcount?

(I checked the NBA rules and their 3-second call does match the NCAA/NFHS rule of only applying when the ball is in team control in the frontcourt.)

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