Coach on the court. What is your call?

TimTaylor

Snaqwells wrote
T

What he said.........

Adam

CoachCER wrote
You would think so, wouldn't you? I brought this up because of the advantage/disadvantage discussion I read and how it related to violations.

The ball was awarded to Team B on the sideline. The explanation given was that "A1 was going to throw the ball away anyway, so Team B did not gain an advantage by the coach being on the court. A1 should have realized he was not passing to a teammate. If Coach B was between A1 and a teammate, I would call a technical on him."

A/D does not apply to technical fouls. I'm editing as I write this, so you're not getting my first thoughts.

A coach 10 feet on the court is going to get at least a warning from me (and only one). A coach 10 feet on the court who catches a live ball is going to get a seat belt and find himself half way to Disqualified.

TimTaylor

Snaqwells wrote
A/D does not apply to technical fouls. I'm editing as I write this, so you're not getting my first thoughts.

A coach 10 feet on the court is going to get at least a warning from me (and only one). A coach 10 feet on the court who catches a live ball is going to get a seat belt and find himself half way to Disqualified.

Gee, you're getting soft in your old age Snaq!😃

Nevadaref

Snaqwells wrote
A/D does not apply to technical fouls. I'm editing as I write this, so you're not getting my first thoughts.

A coach 10 feet on the court is going to get at least a warning from me (and only one). A coach 10 feet on the court who catches a live ball is going to get a seat belt and find himself half way to Disqualified.

He will probably find himself all the way disqualified if I am the calling official.

Hmmm... Coming 10 feet onto the court and catching a live ball which was passed by the opposing team--Is this unacceptable behavior?

Back In The Saddle

Yes, it is unacceptable behavior. But I don't think it is so far over the line that it warrants immediate ejection.

As always, just my $0.02.

Rich

Whack. No brainer.

Also a no brainer that it's not flagrant.

Nevadaref

2005-06 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 12: Team B has just scored to go up by three points with time running out in the fourth quarter. Player A1 inbounds the ball to A2 close to the sideline of Team B's bench. A2 releases a three-point try just prior to the horn sounding. Substitute B7 leaves the bench area, enters the court and blocks the shot. RULING: B7 shall be charged with two technical fouls and ejected. One technical foul is assessed for entering the court without permission and one for unsporting conduct. Any member of Team A may shoot the four free throws for the technical fouls. The results of these free throws will determine if the game is over or going into overtime. COMMENT: Two technical fouls must be assessed in this situation. Otherwise, the team committing the infraction would benefit from the act. (10-4-1; 10-4-2)

Rich

Nevadaref wrote
2005-06 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 12: Team B has just scored to go up by three points with time running out in the fourth quarter. Player A1 inbounds the ball to A2 close to the sideline of Team B's bench. A2 releases a three-point try just prior to the horn sounding. Substitute B7 leaves the bench area, enters the court and blocks the shot. RULING: B7 shall be charged with two technical fouls and ejected. One technical foul is assessed for entering the court without permission and one for unsporting conduct. Any member of Team A may shoot the four free throws for the technical fouls. The results of these free throws will determine if the game is over or going into overtime. COMMENT: Two technical fouls must be assessed in this situation. Otherwise, the team committing the infraction would benefit from the act. (10-4-1; 10-4-2)

Apple situation to the orange play posted in the OP.

muxbule

Nevadaref wrote
2005-06 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations

Nevada this may have been asked before but do you have a cross reference rolodex of rules that points you back to an appropriate year for a rule interp. Or are you just that amazing?

Jurassic Referee

CoachCER wrote
The ball was awarded to Team B on the sideline. The explanation given was that "A1 was going to throw the ball away anyway, so Team B did not gain an advantage by the coach being on the court. A1 should have realized he was not passing to a teammate. If Coach B was between A1 and a teammate, I would call a technical on him."

That ties for the stoopidest call ever made.

muxbule

Jurassic Referee wrote
That ties for the stoopidest call ever made.

I agree but could you reveal what it is tied with. I assume it must be a doozy because this one is really stupid.

Adam

Nevadaref wrote
2005-06 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 12: Team B has just scored to go up by three points with time running out in the fourth quarter. Player A1 inbounds the ball to A2 close to the sideline of Team B's bench. A2 releases a three-point try just prior to the horn sounding. Substitute B7 leaves the bench area, enters the court and blocks the shot. RULING: B7 shall be charged with two technical fouls and ejected. One technical foul is assessed for entering the court without permission and one for unsporting conduct. Any member of Team A may shoot the four free throws for the technical fouls. The results of these free throws will determine if the game is over or going into overtime. COMMENT: Two technical fouls must be assessed in this situation. Otherwise, the team committing the infraction would benefit from the act. (10-4-1; 10-4-2)

I went ahead and highlighted the important part of this interp; you know, the part that explains why two Ts must be issued here. Oddly, it's also the part that makes this completely different than the OP.

Adam

muxbule wrote
I agree but could you reveal what it is tied with. I assume it must be a doozy because this one is really stupid.

T on the home team for a mom coming onto the court to check on her injured child?

muxbule

Snaqwells wrote
T on the home team for a mom coming onto the court to check on her injured child?

Thanks, now I understand why it is a tie. Holy crap. The only thing that could be added as icing on the cake is if you said the calls were by the same official. 😀

Adam

muxbule wrote
Thanks, now I understand why it is a tie. Holy crap. The only thing that could be added as icing on the cake is if you said the calls were by the same official. 😃

I think mine still falls short, I haven't actually heard of it being called; just suggested. 🙂

CoachCER

Jurassic Referee wrote
That ties for the stoopidest call ever made.

I agree. I was Coach A, and ended up with a "T" before all was said and done. I initially couldn't get any explanation other than "your player was going to throw it away anyway."
After the T, the ref who made the call did give me the better explanation, but I was still not pleased. He let me say my piece on A/D, and did say he knew where I was coming from, but didn't want to punish the other coach for making an "innocent" mistake. I pointed out that an innocent mistake is one foot on the court, not out 10' on the court.

Jurassic Referee

CoachCER wrote
After the T, the ref who made the call did give me the better explanation, but I was still not pleased.

There is no better explanation for that one. 🙂

Advantage/disadvantage has got nothing to do with interfering with play. You just don't do it, deliberately or accidentally.

Unfortunately, some officials can always find an excuse not to call a warranted and deserved technical foul, no matter what.

CoachCER

I should have said "more in depth" explanation. 😛

Back In The Saddle

Jurassic Referee wrote
There is no better explanation for that one. 🙂

Advantage/disadvantage has got nothing to do with interfering with play. You just don't do it, deliberately or accidentally.

Unfortunately, some officials can always find an excuse not to call a warranted and deserved technical foul, no matter what.

I'd bet my next game fee that the overly generous A/D official in the OP is, at this very moment, telling tonight's partner how he has never needed to call a T in his entire 21 years of officiating. 🙄

Back In The Saddle

Nevadaref wrote
2005-06 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 12: Team B has just scored to go up by three points with time running out in the fourth quarter. Player A1 inbounds the ball to A2 close to the sideline of Team B's bench. A2 releases a three-point try just prior to the horn sounding. Substitute B7 leaves the bench area, enters the court and blocks the shot. RULING: B7 shall be charged with two technical fouls and ejected. One technical foul is assessed for entering the court without permission and one for unsporting conduct. Any member of Team A may shoot the four free throws for the technical fouls. The results of these free throws will determine if the game is over or going into overtime. COMMENT: Two technical fouls must be assessed in this situation. Otherwise, the team committing the infraction would benefit from the act. (10-4-1; 10-4-2)

Please, for the love of all that's holy, put this interp away! Every time it appears in public it sets off another wave of posters arguing to impose multiple penalties for single infractions. 😮