T after game ended

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Coach Bill wrote
I thought I'd shared an interesting story. AAU game, NFHS rules.

Our team was down 2 when the final horn sounded. We're shaking hands with the other team, and the other team's coach who had been complaining all game (no T's during game), gives the ref some more crap. The ref T's him up and tells me to give him a shooter. I was aware of the rule, but had never seen it called.

All heck breaks loose. Parents and coaches arguing "the game's over, you can't do that!, etc...". The tournament director comes over. Big pow-wow.

Anyway, we get to shoot our technical (because, of course, the ref is right, and the rules support him). Our guy misses the first one, and the ref signals end of game. I ask if we can shoot the second one, and he says that we don't shoot it, because it doesn't change the outcome. I'm sure he's right, but he let us shoot the other one when I told him that he might have to 'T' up the other coach again.

We made the 2nd free throw and the other coach stormed off without another word, and we lost by 1.

Why in the world are the game officials still on the court watching the handshake line in the first place.

MTD, Sr.

just another ref

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. wrote
Why in the world are the game officials still on the court watching the handshake line in the first place.

MTD, Sr.

'Cause it gives them a warm feeling inside.🙂

dsturdy5

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. wrote
Why in the world are the game officials still on the court watching the handshake line in the first place.

MTD, Sr.

Massachusetts rules state we must during scholastic play.

Adam

dsturdy5 wrote
Massachusetts rules state we must during scholastic play.

Absolutely the dumbest rule in all of sports.

Mark Padgett

Snaqwells wrote
Absolutely the dumbest rule in all of sports.

No, the dumbest is the one that allows teams to have coaches. 😀

Coach Bill

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. wrote
Why in the world are the game officials still on the court watching the handshake line in the first place.

MTD, Sr.

There was no place for him to go. He had the next game on that court, too. It was NFHS rules, but it wasn't a high school gym/game where they jog off as soon as the horn sounds.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

dsturdy5 wrote
Massachusetts rules state we must during scholastic play.

dsturdy5:

The Massachusetts Interscholatic Athletic Association has nothing to do with AAU basketball tournaments, therefore, I ask once again, why were the game officials still on the court watching the handshake line.

MTD, Sr.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Coach Bill wrote
There was no place for him to go. He had the next game on that court, too. It was NFHS rules, but it wasn't a high school gym/game where they jog off as soon as the horn sounds.

Coach Bill:

There is always a place to go. Get out of the gym and go somewhere, but do not stick around on the court.

MTD, Sr.

chartrusepengui

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. wrote
Coach Bill:

There is always a place to go. Get out of the gym and go somewhere, but do not stick around on the court.

MTD, Sr.

Yep - and if you can't think of a place to go - ask someone. There's always someone willing to tell you where to go!! 😀

Adam

Coach Bill wrote
There was no place for him to go. He had the next game on that court, too. It was NFHS rules, but it wasn't a high school gym/game where they jog off as soon as the horn sounds.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. wrote
Coach Bill:

There is always a place to go. Get out of the gym and go somewhere, but do not stick around on the court.

MTD, Sr.

Mark, it's not always practical, to be honest.

Adam

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. wrote
dsturdy5:

The Massachusetts Interscholatic Athletic Association has nothing to do with AAU basketball tournaments, therefore, I ask once again, why were the game officials still on the court watching the handshake line.

MTD, Sr.

The other point here, WRT MA basketball, is that this couldn't have been done under their rules. They have stripped the officials of this authority so that once the handshake begins technical fouls cannot be called. (That's how I read their little interpretation from Mary, anyway).

Raymond

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. wrote
Coach Bill:

There is always a place to go. Get out of the gym and go somewhere, but do not stick around on the court.

MTD, Sr.

Snaqwells wrote
Mark, it's not always practical, to be honest.

Go to the opposite end/side of the court from where the fans are congregating with the teams. Or walk with a purpose to a destination without making eye contact with anyone.

A fan or coach really has to go out their way to make contact with me, no matter what the venue.

Adam

It's not a bad practice. Had a couple games last weekend where the time between games was three minutes. I normally stand at half court but haven't focused on how far from the table I stand. I've only had a problem one time at an AAU game, and that was when the parent went out of her way to request our names so she could report us "to AAU." I learned my lesson about engaging them at that time. Even though I simply referred her to the site director with her request, my partner decided to engage her in "conversation" that went nowhere.

Texas Aggie

There is ALWAYS a corner out of the way to go to. It might not be a bus trip for the coach to get there, but it will be far enough that he has to make an effort to go to you. That is probably all that's needed for a report or turn-over to the event admin.

Mark Padgett

Snaqwells wrote
I've only had a problem one time at an AAU game, and that was when the parent went out of her way to request our names so she could report us "to AAU."

Stock answer #1: "I'm sorry. We're not allowed to give out our names. It's a rule of the witness protection program."

Stock answer #2: "You'll have to ask our parole officer. He's in the locker room. I can go get him if you like."

Stock answer #3: "I'm Earl Strom. He's Jake O'Donnell."

I never say my name is Skippy Weaselpants. Giving out my real name defeats the purpose.

Adam

My answer: "You'll have to take your complaints to the tournament director."
My partner got into a discussion with her that ended with more animosity than it started with.

jkohls

Mark Padgett wrote
Stock answer #1: "I'm sorry. We're not allowed to give out our names. It's a rule of the witness protection program."

Stock answer #2: "You'll have to ask our parole officer. He's in the locker room. I can go get him if you like."

Stock answer #3: "I'm Earl Strom. He's Jake O'Donnell."

I never say my name is Skippy Weaselpants. Giving out my real name defeats the purpose.

"Eric Straton, rush chairman, damn glad to meet you!"

Nevadaref

Coach Bill wrote
I thought I'd shared an interesting story. AAU game, NFHS rules.

Our team was down 2 when the final horn sounded. We're shaking hands with the other team, and the other team's coach who had been complaining all game (no T's during game), gives the ref some more crap. The ref T's him up and tells me to give him a shooter. I was aware of the rule, but had never seen it called.

All heck breaks loose. Parents and coaches arguing "the game's over, you can't do that!, etc...". The tournament director comes over. Big pow-wow.

Anyway, we get to shoot our technical (because, of course, the ref is right, and the rules support him). Our guy misses the first one, and the ref signals end of game. I ask if we can shoot the second one, and he says that we don't shoot it, because it doesn't change the outcome. I'm sure he's right, but he let us shoot the other one when I told him that he might have to 'T' up the other coach again.

We made the 2nd free throw and the other coach stormed off without another word, and we lost by 1.

Plus and minus.

The official was 100% correct that a technical foul could be charged following the final horn for poor behavior. However, if one is going to go that route and rely upon the rules for justification, then one had darn well better conduct the entire procedure strictly by the book. That means that he screwed up by permitting the 2nd FT to be administered. Had the coach argued about that, he would have been correct. Now what does one do? -- T the coach again when he is right and the official has absolutely no rules support for what he just did? 😮

Good call, poor execution.

BillyMac

Mark Padgett wrote
Stock answer #1: "I'm sorry. We're not allowed to give out our names. It's a rule of the witness protection program."
Stock answer #2: "You'll have to ask our parole officer. He's in the locker room. I can go get him if you like."
Stock answer #3: "I'm Earl Strom. He's Jake O'Donnell."

Stock answer #4: Bond. James Bond.

BillyMac

Coach Bill wrote
T after game ended.