harmbu FED. R1 is stealing second. The throw arrives ahead of the runner and F4 applies the tag. As F4 is lifting his glove to show that he has the ball, R1's helmet contacts the glove and the ball comes out. BU calls the out. After the inning, BU was asked if he stayed with the out because R1 knocked the ball out after the tage. BU says that he did not see the second contact, but he had the out because F4 controlled the ball throughout the tag. He said that F4 did not have the voluntarily remove the ball from his glove after a tag like he would have had to do after a catch. Any opinions.
Rich Ives harmbu wroteFED. R1 is stealing second. The throw arrives ahead of the runner and F4 applies the tag. As F4 is lifting his glove to show that he has the ball, R1's helmet contacts the glove and the ball comes out. BU calls the out. After the inning, BU was asked if he stayed with the out because R1 knocked the ball out after the tage. BU says that he did not see the second contact, but he had the out because F4 controlled the ball throughout the tag. He said that F4 did not have the voluntarily remove the ball from his glove after a tag like he would have had to do after a catch. Any opinions. Yes - the umpire was correct.
harmbu Thanks. I agreed with the umpire but the opposing coach said "that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard."
johnnyg08 harmbu wroteThanks. I agreed with the umpire but the opposing coach said "that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard." typical
d26 No coach, that award goes to your AD, school board, and/or principal, and was a statement containing at least one of the following - hired, approved, appointed, confirmed, selected, picked, or no one else wanted to be...
kylejt I fully understand the confusion, because you have two different sets of obligations on balls in the glove. One for fly balls, and one for tags of players and bases. You've got the voluntary release, and just control. It's not logical, but it is the rule.
bossman72 You could really go either way on this one (like the varitek play). It's a hard sell with the ball on the ground...
kylejt Emperor Ump wroteA good sales job would have helped him. Amen to that. I really had to sell a similar call this past weekend, with a BIG "on the transfer" mechanic, with an OUT on either side of it. It worked.
Kevin Finnerty d26 wroteNo coach, that award goes to your AD, school board, and/or principal, and was a statement containing at least one of the following - hired, approved, appointed, confirmed, selected, picked, or no one else wanted to be... If only baseball was a lucrative industry, there would be more of a devotion to finding competent instructors at the prep level.
DG harmbu wroteThanks. I agreed with the umpire but the opposing coach said "that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard."Coaches say the darndest things. Had a batter swing at a pitch with 2 strikes this weekend and the pitch hit him in the leg. He runs to 1B. Coach's argument was "but the catcher did not catch the pitch".
Klokard Selling the call is key here. You have an obvious out on the tag. Even with good timing, the ball may get dislodged on a secondary empitus on the play. Key being secondary. Come up big with "that's an out on the tag, that's an out." I doubt the HC will challenge it.
aceholleran The CS&FP rulebook says: "After a 'good' tag for an out, if the fielder voluntarily raises his glove to show you the rock and loses the ball, do not change your call." And I speak of the "empitus of love." Ace
SanDiegoSteve aceholleran wrote And I speak of the "empitus of love." Ace Whoa, slow down there, Space Cowboy!:p
Bishopcolle how is all of this different from a collision at the plate and the ball rolling on the ground? Like someone else said, "hard to sell with the ball on the ground."
mbyron Bishopcolle wrotehow is all of this different from a collision at the plate and the ball rolling on the ground? Like someone else said, "hard to sell with the ball on the ground." Last week, I did my first rec game of the year. Had the most amazing smitty of a partner. He called a guy out at the plate with the ball rolling toward the mound. Sold the hell out of it, too, so much that the offense waited a couple seconds before complaining. So naturally he shouts across the field to me, "Whaddya got?" Ugh.
SanDiegoSteve mbyron wroteSo naturally he shouts across the field to me, "Whaddya got?" Ugh. My assignor had a great reply for whenever he was asked this question: "Heartburn."
Steven Tyler SanDiegoSteve wroteWhoa, slow down there, Space Cowboy!:p Same artist, different song. But you're welcome there, Maurice.
DonInKansas SanDiegoSteve wroteWhoa, slow down there, Space Cowboy!:p Hey, can I be the gangster of love?