Questionable T?

Jburt

Nevadaref wrote
T or not? (? to anyone, not just BZ)
1. d@mn
2. Jesus Christ
3. son of gun
4. dang
5. suck
6. crap
7. OMG

Depending on the context, I would say all could be T'able offenses. Same as "Are you kidding me?"

ma_ref

Jburt wrote
Depending on the context, I would say all could be T'able offenses. Same as "Are you kidding me?"

Exactly. I could say yes or no to each of those words/phrases, depending on the situation...

eyezen

Nevadaref wrote
T or not? (? to anyone, not just BZ)
1. d@mn
2. Jesus Christ
3. son of gun
4. dang
5. suck
6. crap
7. OMG

What about "ALLAH!!!" or JOBU!!!" or my personal favorite for those practicing pastafarianism "Flying Spaghetti Monster!!!" ?

grunewar

Or, you could be like Kobe, who reportedly learned to swear in many different languages so as not to "offend the refs" or anyone else present in ear-shot.......unless of course they happen to speak/understand the language he was swearing in. 😮

Adam

Nevadaref wrote
T or not? (? to anyone, not just BZ)
1. d@mn
2. Jesus Christ
3. son of gun
4. dang
5. suck
6. crap
7. OMG

I've T'd 1,2,5,6,7. I've also ignored all of them at given times.

Further, I've T'd "sh!t," and ignored "Bull sh1t" once.

Of course, the BS reference was a coach standing next to me asking, "Isn't it a T if he says Bull sh!t like that?" I knew the hot head player he was talking about, but I hadn't heard the expletive.

Nevadaref

Jburt wrote
Depending on the context, I would say all could be T'able offenses. Same as "Are you kidding me?"

ma_ref wrote
Exactly. I could say yes or no to each of those words/phrases, depending on the situation...

Snaqwells wrote
I've T'd 1,2,5,6,7. I've also ignored all of them at given times.

So all of you consider the CONTEXT of the speech, not just the word itself. That is the position that I have advocated. However, the position of BZ is very different. He says that the context doesn't matter.

Bad Zebra wrote
If you heard the word "a$$" come out of her mouth...WHACK! T will be served®. It's profanity and the rule couldn't be clearer. It doesn't matter what the context was or what garbled words followed. Seems pretty cut and dried to me.

He seems to operate by a list of "magic words" that constitute profanity and will earn an automatic T.
Therefore, my post was aimed at getting people's opinions of which words were always T'able. I'm not after an answer of "depends on the context."

ref2coach wrote
In TN in the State rules meetings for Coaches & Referees, #5 was announced as unsporting language to be punished. So at least for that one I will follow the State's instruction.

Thank you. That is the kind of information that I was seeking.
Anyone else got something such as that?

Chess Ref

Nevadaref wrote
Anyone else got something such as that?

JUCO refs in Northern California have been told that swearing is NOT a T worthy offense.

I don't do JUCO but several officiating buddies do and they have told me about the email.....

ma_ref

Chess Ref wrote
JUCO refs in Northern California have been told that swearing is NOT a T worthy offense.

I don't do JUCO but several officiating buddies do and they have told me about the email.....

I work JUCO games, and sometimes *I* feel like swearing...

M&M Guy

ref2coach wrote
In TN in the State rules meetings for Coaches & Referees, #5 was announced as unsporting language to be punished. So at least for that one I will follow the State's instruction.

So, during warmups, you overhear one player talking to his teammate about his science project, "Yea, I used my mom's vaccum cleaner to suck the air out of the chamber."

Would you start the game with a T? Would the state back you on this? Or, is context still important?

Adam

Nevadaref wrote
So all of you consider the CONTEXT of the speech, not just the word itself. That is the position that I have advocated. However, the position of BZ is very different. He says that the context doesn't matter.

He seems to operate by a list of "magic words" that constitute profanity and will earn an automatic T.
Therefore, my post was aimed at getting people's opinions of which words were always T'able. I'm not after an answer of "depends on the context."

Thank you. That is the kind of information that I was seeking.
Anyone else got something such as that?

I'm unable to think of a word that's always T-able without regard to context. There is a catch-all context that I will never T for, regardless of the word.

"Ref, #24 just called me a stupid D@n_r3f."

M&M Guy

ma_ref wrote
I work JUCO games, and sometimes *I* feel like swearing...

😀

My vote for post of the week.

M&M Guy

Snaqwells wrote
I'm unable to think of a word that's always T-able without regard to context. There is a catch-all context that I will never T for, regardless of the word.

"Ref, #24 just called me a stupid *$^&%#$."

How about: "Ref, #24 said you are a stupid *$^&%#$."

(Actually, your correction is funnier.)

JRutledge

This is why saying that certain words or certain comments are and "automatic" foul only get you in trouble. What if a player says those things after blowing out their knee? Are you we going to be Mr. Tough Guy and T them up then?

I have probably heard all those words and not given a single T. The context was not about the officiating or the opponent in anyway. I have heard coaches use harsher or much more profane words and not given a T, because the comments were said to me one on one and were not about me personally. Like one time a coach said with a complete smile, "That kid could fu@kin play at all; can you find me someone else to take his spot?" No one heard the comments but me and the coach. Sorry, I am not giving a T for that.

Peace

Adam

M&M Guy wrote
How about: "Ref, #24 said you are a stupid D@n_r3f."

I took the liberty. 🙂

In that case, as long as it wasn't followed by, "and your partner agreed."

BillyMac

Nevadaref wrote
1. d@mn
2. Jesus Christ
3. son of gun
4. dang
5. suck
6. crap
7. OMG

I didn't realize that George Carlin was an official?

Terrapins Fan

Nevadaref wrote
wonder what makes the list and what doesn't?

T or not? (? to anyone, not just BZ)
1. d@mn
2. Jesus Christ
3. son of gun
4. dang
5. suck
6. crap
7. OMG

#2- Yes
The rest, in my book no.

Thanks for all the advice. I thought in my 9th year, I had a handle on it, I am still learning.

eyezen

Really?

What makes #2 worse than the others?

mbyron

'Jesus Christ' is profane in some parts of the country, and not in others. Around here it's nothing for most people. Well, except at the evangelical schools... Call as appropriate to your venue.

BillyMac

mbyron wrote
Call as appropriate to your venue.

Thanks to my trusty dictionary, I'm getting pretty good at translating mbyron into English.

Translation: "When in Rome, do as the Romans do," which is used to advise people to adapt to the culture of places that they visit.

eyezen

I am fully aware that "JC" might offend some people but my point being it doesn't' matter whether you're in Beijing, China or China Grove, Alabama, #2 is like no others in that list in that it has to be taken in with context and situational awareness. I can't think of any situation where JC is automatic like TFan suggests.

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