5 Second Violation??

M&M Guy

grunewar wrote
M&M - just curious, what were the players/fans reaction to all of this? Any fans get upset? Yell? Coaches coaching? Did the players move at all or just stand in one spot with their hands on their hips? Inquiring minds (ok, mine anyhow) want to know?

Don't know, because I wasn't there, but it was on the local news. I know some of the officials that work in that tournament, so I'll try to find out any additional tidbits.

Adam

jdw3018 wrote
Bottom line - the game is not actionless, nor is it a farce, if the offense holds the ball near mid-court and the defense chooses not to force the action by closely guarding.

I'll go back to this; if the clock is moving, there's action.

If your state doesn't have a shot clock; this is perfectly legal. If your state does have a shot clock, it's easy to deal with.

IREFU2

ma_ref wrote
This is a good suggestion, which I was not aware we had the power to do. I just searched for and found the rule that you mentioned which allows that. Definitely better than having us twiddle our thumbs for the better part of 32 minutes. But it still doesn't get to the root of the problem. Even if you shorten the length of each quarter to 2 minutes, what is to prevent the teams from continuing to stand there and do nothing? You could have an infinite number of overtime periods, and at what point do you call it a night and declare the game over and go home?

Yawn......

Back In The Saddle

ma_ref wrote
might as well get rid of both if leagues don't mind situations like this.

I think it's fairly safe to assume that no league WANTS play like this. But it doesn't happen often enough to warrant addressing it with a major rules change.

refnrev

Nevadaref wrote
Go easy. He seems new and with not much training.

He's learning.

Where's Nevada and what have you done with him?:confused:

Nevadaref

refnrev wrote
Where's Nevada and what have you done with him?:confused:

My New Year's resolution is to try to be nicer.

I've noticed that I put things so matter-of-factly and bluntly that it tends to elicit a negative reaction from people when I was really just trying to give them an answer as quickly and succintly as possible. I'm a very honest and direct person. That has both its positives and negatives.
Anyway, I'm going to attempt to soften my approach. We'll see how it goes. It can't hurt to try. 🙂

Of course, this effort tends to get tossed aside when someone makes a snide remark or insulting comment about me. That's when my inner Jurassic Referee comes out. 😮

BillyMac

Nevadaref wrote
My New Year's resolution is to try to be nicer.

Which New Year? I want to mark it on my calendar:

January 1, 2009? Or, Chinese New Year, January 26, 4707, the year of the Ox, or The Islamic New Year, the first day of Muharram, December 29, 1430 AH.

just another ref

Nevadaref wrote
That's when my inner Jurassic Referee comes out. :eek:

Don't flatter yourself.😃

JugglingReferee

mbyron wrote
You must have gotten enough sleep last night. :cool:

With only a few days left in 2008, I dunno if anyone will top that one this year. 😛

Stat-Man

Nevadaref wrote
ma ref,
They got rid of that rule about 20 years ago.

It was dropped sometime after 1991-1992 because the rule still existed in 1990-1991 but was gone after 1994 because I scored an AAU game under NFHS rules where a team sat at half court for 5 minutes doing nothing before the coach decided to have them move the ball around. I even remember thinking { Doesn't someone have to force action? }

Adam

Stat-Man wrote
It was dropped sometime after 1991-1992 because the rule still existed in 1990-1991 but was gone after 1994 because I scored an AAU game under NFHS rules where a team sat at half court for 5 minutes doing nothing before the coach decided to have them move the ball around. I even remember thinking { Doesn't someone have to force action? }

Seems to be some disagreement on when the rule was removed.

I remember playing a game in the 90-91 season in which the lack of action rule should have been enforced if it was in effect. It was not enforced. I did not remember that rule during the discussion in the thread I linked to here.

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