Call The T

ChuckElias

a4caster wrote
if he took a swing at a player, are we going to ignore that as well?

That's clearly defined in the rules as fighting. Not ignored.

Or if the coach comes out of the box to chew on a ref?

This is a major POE, and will not be ignored; although in a game of this magnitude, some latitude will probably be given.

Or if they hang on the rim

The NCAA rule is different from FED. NCAA says you can't grasp "in an emphatic manner".

IOW, you're comparing apples to bunny droppings. 🙂

My beef is that it bleeds down to the lower levels.

If something is legal at the NCAA level, it's not the NCAA officials' problem if it bleeds down to the high school kids. It's our job in our HS games to call it, regardless of where it comes from.

chartrusepengui

I don't care for the idea that you don't make a call because it's the biggest game of the year. Rules don't change because of that. If you make that call in the first or 10th game of the season - then you make it in the NCAA Final. Period.

However, that said - I wouldn't have called the 'T'. I would have gone to get ball and told him to dial it back a little and the message would have been clear.

Rich

ChuckElias wrote
If something is legal at the NCAA level, it's not the NCAA officials' problem if it bleeds down to the high school kids. It's our job in our HS games to call it, regardless of where it comes from.

Preach on, brutha.

I've had this happen before - in football, basketball, baseball. The easiest response is, "Well, this isn't college basketball, is it?"

fullor30

a4caster wrote
per the OP, for slamming the ball.

There is no mention of a ninth grader in the OP.

Raymond

JRutledge wrote
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I do not understand why you are so defensive. I have not read anything that was insulting to you in any way (maybe I overlooked it)...

Peace

Yeah, you missed it. It's one of the first 5 or 6 replies.

Larks

Reffing Rev. wrote
I don't care what the score is and what game it is, it is not the NBA, slam the ball get a T. I don't care who you are frustrated with...Every player knows you don't do that. I'm disappointed with Hightower after that!

No T there.

Now, I am surprised no delay warning wasn't given to Dozier for the grabbing the ball out of the net and pointing to his peeps in the crowd.

But, who am I to criticize, I was on the couch.

I thought they called a pretty consistent game to be honest.

26 Year Gap

The only thing I saw that had an effect on the outome was the inability to make free throws by Memphis in the last 2 minutes. But maybe that is just me.

Jurassic Referee

Larks wrote
Now, I am surprised no delay warning wasn't given to Dozier for the grabbing the ball out of the net and pointing to his peeps in the crowd.

I wondered about that too. But.....I don't think that KU had anybody OOB anyway waiting to get the ball. If there isn't a KU player waiting for the ball, the game really isn't being delayed.

The only other thing that he mighta got nailed for was the stylin' and profiling', but that wasn't really egregious either imo. He was probably just practicing up for his NBE audition. Show bidness, baby.😃

Coltdoggs

26 Year Gap wrote
The only thing I saw that had an effect on the outome was the inability to make free throws by Memphis in the last 2 minutes. But maybe that is just me.

Come on 2-6...You don't think the 3 by Chalmers had something to do with it....What's that, you were getting another beer at that time...Oh, Ok...My bad 😉

And for what it's worth...I though it was a good call on the no-T...TO was granted, CDR was nowhere near anyone else and obviously upset with himself for missing FTs.

I was questioning the Dorsey DOG when he held the ball but after some thought, if the ball were just bouncing, it might have actually taken the same or longer for the inbounder to get it...Dorsey held it and then tossed to OOB....so I guess that was ok too...

grunewar

26 Year Gap wrote
The only thing I saw that had an effect on the outome was the inability to make free throws by Memphis in the last 2 minutes.

I found this to be a very ironic part of the game......

Memphis was a horrible FT shooting team all year. Yet in the round of 64 they shot remarkably well - this HAD to be a tactic other coaches wanted to use against them - foul em late in the game and send em to the line and we will have a chance. This tactic failed in the previous games....up until the end of the one that mattered most.....

Adam

ChuckElias wrote
Here's my only question to you, RR: why is it a T? What rule is violated by bouncing the ball in frustration after you've missed 2 critical FTs to lose the nat'l championship?

Is it unsporting? IMHO, it's not. It's frustration directed at himself -- not an opponent or an official.

Is it delaying the game, as somebody else mentioned? It was clearly not, as a TO had just been granted.

So what's the rule basis for a T here? I don't think there is one.

Good grief, Chuck. No one asked for a voice of reason here.

Dan said to tell you to get back into your tree.

iref4him

Overall, I think they made the right decision. I was once told by Hue Hollins, retired NBA official, be right but don't be dead right. Dead right is by the book and no leway for application, game management, game contorl, game pressence, game awareness. IF he would have called the 'T', I would have ok with it, too. But there are so many factors while you are officiating that somehow & someway not all things are equal. Case in point. I saw a game where a player went down hard the ball was stolen and they went to the other end of the court. The player did not get up, started bleeding, and the coach ran onto the floor before the play was stopped. The officals would have been dead right to call the 'T' for being out of the box while the game is on...but the officials saw this differently -- they just suspended play. NO 'T'. ..Just a thought...

rockchalk jhawk

OK, so informal poll...

Take the same situation from last nights game (re: ball slam) on an ordinary night in a varsity high school game. Do you bang him?

What about in a middle school game?

Adam

Varsity: maybe, at least a quick chat.
middle school: maybe, at least a quick chat.

fullor30

Larks wrote
No T there.

Now, I am surprised no delay warning wasn't given to Dozier for the grabbing the ball out of the net and pointing to his peeps in the crowd.

But, who am I to criticize, I was on the couch.

I thought they called a pretty consistent game to be honest.

Agreed.

fullor30

grunewar wrote
I found this to be a very ironic part of the game......

Memphis was a horrible FT shooting team all year. Yet in the round of 64 they shot remarkably well - this HAD to be a tactic other coaches wanted to use against them - foul em late in the game and send em to the line and we will have a chance. This tactic failed in the previous games....up until the end of the one that mattered most.....

They shot decent in the tourney because the collar was never tight. They've had zero experience all year in tight games with the exception of the Tenn. game which they lost, their average margin of victory was 18 points.

The failure to foul in the last 10 seconds was a real blunder. Put 'em on the line for two and you may have ball back with 3-4 seconds left. Poorly played. A much needed timeout would have helped, dejavu from the Tenn. game

ace

I agree, no T here. If a player slams a ball in my direction in response to a call, T. This wasn't that. I've turned my back to this kind of slam plenty a times. But I'd make a note the player "Next you slam it, please catch it for me." It's worked for me.

Bad Zebra

I have to admit, sitting and watching last night...I said out loud "Why didn't he get stuck with a T?" Maybe it's my lack of big game experience. Maybe it's my lack of DI officiating experience ...

My impression was that the crew looked bad by allowing it...but like someone else pointed out...my butt has been on the sofa for a month now.

On my level...V HS playoff game...that player is going to get stuck. How is that anything but a display of poor sportsmanship?

Big2Cat

iref4him wrote
Overall, I think they made the right decision. I was once told by Hue Hollins, retired NBA official, be right but don't be dead right. Dead right is by the book and no leway for application, game management, game contorl, game pressence, game awareness. IF he would have called the 'T', I would have ok with it, too. But there are so many factors while you are officiating that somehow & someway not all things are equal. Case in point. I saw a game where a player went down hard the ball was stolen and they went to the other end of the court. The player did not get up, started bleeding, and the coach ran onto the floor before the play was stopped. The officals would have been dead right to call the 'T' for being out of the box while the game is on...but the officials saw this differently -- they just suspended play. NO 'T'. ..Just a thought...

I think Hue Hollins is the official I love the most. Didn't he call the phantom foul on Scottie Pippen that finally got my Knicks past the Bulls? Then I agree with Hue.

rockyroad

Bad Zebra wrote
On my level...V HS playoff game...that player is going to get stuck. How is that anything but a display of poor sportsmanship?

I have a better question - How is it a display of poor sportsmanship??? He was not responding to a call or no-call by the officials. He was frustrated with no one but himself. As some guy named Chuck (or Bhuck or something like that) asked in an earlier post - what rule did he violate? Why is slamming the ball down an automatic T? Why is slamming the ball down automatically unsportsmanlike???

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