Tales from a 1st Year: Dumbass

Nevadaref

ca_rumperee wrote
.... for the held ball, the ball is dead. During a dead ball, contact between players is either to be ignored, or .... I believe.... that we would have had an intentional technical foul on B1.

~~Reverse arrow for held ball.~~
Team A shoots 2 with lane cleared.
Team A ball at the division line.

Now, that is what I realized after two minutes, but before putting my a$$ on the line here I did verify.😉

Dan's right. Here's the correct NFHS procedure. Since there is no AP throw-in there is no reason to reverse the arrow.

ca_rumperee

Nevadaref

Wow, multiple responses in the few minutes that it took me to craft a post!

It kind of looks like we're all jumping on the poor guy, but I'm sure that's not the case. Sometimes the posts just come fast and furious. 😉

So CA, how does that @ss which you put on the line feel after the beating it just took? 😀

ca_rumperee

bob jenkins wrote
The contact is ignored unless it's intentional or flagrant, and then it's an IT or FT foul.

The arrow isn't reversed until the AP throw-in ends. Since there won't be an AP throw-in, the arrow stays the same.

As I read the play, I'd go with the held ball and just admonish B1 to stop play when the whistle blows (but you were there and I wasn't and only you can know whether the contact meets the definition of intentional).

I agree that Don Wert is the correct answer to the real question posed. 😉

😮

ca_rumperee

JoeT wrote
Well now remember, I'm just a dumb old coach...

But...

If you called the T (I think the only type of foul possible during a dead ball, right), why would you change the arrow since it was never used to determine possession?

😮

ca_rumperee

cmckenna wrote
The only thing I don't think is right here is the changing of the arrow. Although you called a held ball, you never used the AP procedure so the arrow would not change. Remember, the arrow only changes once the AP throw-in is completed or the throwing in team violates.

I do agree though that the push was dead ball contact and either had to be considered incidental or you have to go with the T.

edited to add: WOW 4 posts all saying the same thing at the same time..... And they say we refs can't agree on things...

🙄

ca_rumperee

Jurassic Referee wrote
Are you sure that the arrow should be reversed?

I am now completely sure of whether to reverse arrow!

ca_rumperee

Nevadaref wrote
Wow, multiple responses in the few minutes that it took me to craft a post!

It kind of looks like we're all jumping on the poor guy, but I'm sure that's not the case. Sometimes the posts just come fast and furious. 😉

So CA, how does that @ss which you put on the line feel after the beating it just took? 😃

"Well smack my bare a$$ and call me Judy!"

Nevadaref

ca_rumperee wrote
I am now completely sure of whether to reverse arrow!

Far better to make mistakes on here than on the court! 😉

Corndog89

ca_rumperee wrote

Most importantly, Don Wert is the only player in MLB history whose last name is spelled out in order (from left to right) on a standard keyboard.

Coltdoggs

Corndog89 wrote
Most importantly, Don Wert is the only player in MLB history whose last name is spelled out in order (from left to right) on a standard keyboard.

No guys name Yuiop or Werty?

JugglingReferee

Corndog89 wrote
Most importantly, Don Wert is the only player in MLB history whose last name is spelled out in order (from left to right) on a standard keyboard.

Just when one thought that baseball statistics couldn't be more weird.

Rodical

Just when one thought that baseball statistics couldn't be more weird.

I know, it's nitpicking.....but don't statistics have to have numeric value?

😉

Corndog89

Coltdoggs wrote
No guys name Yuiop or Werty?

Yeah, Hassim Yuiop and Wally Werty, but, alas, neither made it past Triple-A 🙄 😀

mkiogima

Corndog89 wrote
Most importantly, Don Wert is the only player in MLB history whose last name is spelled out in order (from left to right) on a standard keyboard.

I would gladly bet 50 bucks that everyone looked down at their keyboard immediately after reading this!

CoachP

mkiogima wrote
I would gladly bet 50 bucks that everyone looked down at their keyboard immediately after reading this!

yuiop!

Jurassic Referee

mkiogima wrote
I would gladly bet 50 bucks that everyone looked down at their keyboard immediately after reading this!

You lose. I didn't. Still haven't either.

M&M Guy

Jurassic Referee wrote
You lose. I didn't. Still haven't either.

Liar.

Nevadaref

Come on, you know that JR can't see his keyboard!

M&M Guy

Nevadaref wrote
Come on, you know that JR can't see his keyboard!

Ooh...good point, I forgot about that.

Sorry.

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