Help w/ Pregame

grunewar

Thanks to all for the advice - used it last night for FB/JVB games. Partner arrives and I'm already dressed and revieiwing pregame checklist, POE's, etc. he asks what I'm looking at. I tell him and off we go......Obviously, it wasn't as thorough as it could have been, but leading questions helped and philosophies were exchanged. Appreciate everyone's assistance.

Then, after our games, I asked the VB officials what they thought as they were in the stands for a bit - and boy did we get an ear full - in a good way I thought. Some real tough, constructive criticism that I will take to heart and learn from. Watched the VB game for a while and those guys showed me a thing or two......

Scrapper1

BillyMac wrote
PREGAME CONFERENCE

Two things Bill. First, why do you feel the need to cut and paste this stuff every single time a pregame question or a "myth" question comes up? I don't need to sift through it (or skip by it) once a month. If you feel you need to share this stuff every single time, then just post a link to a previous thread where you've already posted it.

Second, if you read the original post, he said:

How do I, as the junior guy, initiate a more formal pregame? I always have good pregame example sheets with me. Should I just hand it to them and say can we go over this?

He's not asking for your (or anybody's) pregame notes. He's asking how to initiate the pregame conference with a less than willing partner.

Scrapper1

grunewar wrote
Obviously, it wasn't as thorough as it could have been, but leading questions helped and philosophies were exchanged. Appreciate everyone's assistance.

Glad it went well. For a JV or Fr game, that is often the best you can hope for in a pregame. It might not be a complete pregame, but it's a start and at least you're in a basketball frame of mind when you walk on the floor.

Some real tough, constructive criticism that I will take to heart and learn from. Watched the VB game for a while and those guys showed me a thing or two......

This is sometimes the best part of your sub-varsity assignment. I'm glad that you seem to have a great learning attitude. Listening to good experienced officials and watching them work can be great tools for improvement.

Dan_ref

Scrapper1 wrote
Two things Bill. First, why do you feel the need to cut and paste this stuff every single time a pregame question or a "myth" question comes up? I don't need to sift through it (or skip by it) once a month. If you feel you need to share this stuff every single time, then just post a link to a previous thread where you've already posted it.

Second, if you read the original post, he said:

He's not asking for your (or anybody's) pregame notes. He's asking how to initiate the pregame conference with a less than willing partner.

Scrappy woke up on the wrong side of the underpass this morning?

🙂

fullor30

grunewar wrote
Thanks to all for the advice - used it last night for FB/JVB games. Partner arrives and I'm already dressed and revieiwing pregame checklist, POE's, etc. he asks what I'm looking at. I tell him and off we go......Obviously, it wasn't as thorough as it could have been, but leading questions helped and philosophies were exchanged. Appreciate everyone's assistance.

Then, after our games, I asked the VB officials what they thought as they were in the stands for a bit - and boy did we get an ear full - in a good way I thought. Some real tough, constructive criticism that I will take to heart and learn from. Watched the VB game for a while and those guys showed me a thing or two......

When I first read this, I thought you asked the volleyball officials what they thought. Probably that we run around too much and may just break out in a sweat.

Jurassic Referee

Dan_ref wrote
Scrappy woke up on the wrong side of the underpass this morning?

Naw, I think it might be an IAABO thingy. Internecine warfare maybe.

Dan_ref

Jurassic Referee wrote
Naw, I think it might be an IAABO thingy. Internecine warfare maybe.

Ah I see...like when some Sunni blows up a Shi'ite wedding or vice versa. Thank goodness IAABO doesn't control any huge oil reserves...

Scrapper1

Dan_ref wrote
Scrappy woke up on the wrong side of the underpass this morning?

I honestly didn't mean it to come across that way. It was just an honest question. Seems like he posts both of those HUGE posts in every single "pregame" thread. I was just hoping to put the idea in his head of linking to it, instead of re-posting it every single time.

Sorry if I seemed huffy, Bill.

Dan_ref

Scrapper1 wrote
I honestly didn't mean it to come across that way. It was just an honest question. Seems like he posts both of those HUGE posts in every single "pregame" thread. I was just hoping to put the idea in his head of linking to it, instead of re-posting it every single time.

Sorry if I seemed huffy, Bill.

Hey don't drag me into this thing...btw what's in that backpack?

bob jenkins

Scrapper1 wrote
I honestly didn't mean it to come across that way. It was just an honest question. Seems like he posts both of those HUGE posts in every single "pregame" thread. I was just hoping to put the idea in his head of linking to it, instead of re-posting it every single time.

Sorry if I seemed huffy, Bill.

Frankly, I agree with Scrappy on this. I was about to post something not nearly so polite.

JRutledge

I had asked that same question about a month ago. Billy posts this same list every other week it seems like and it does not matter the nature of the question. Just say pre-game and he posts it. It might not even be relevant to the post, but he puts in on here.

Peace

Dan_ref

Uh-oh...this is turning into a jailhouse beat down for poor Billy.

Chess Ref

Scrapper1 wrote
This is sometimes the best part of your sub-varsity assignment. I'm glad that you seem to have a great learning attitude. Listening to good experienced officials and watching them work can be great tools for improvement.

When I first started I did this because I liked watching HS ball. Little did I know the HUGE payoff I would get from hanging around. I work in a big Assoc.,about 300 refs, and I get feedback from all kinds of refs. So it goes without saying my reffing has improved immensely.

Politically it's been a goldmine.

JoeTheRef

Chess Ref wrote
When I first started I did this because I liked watching HS ball. Little did I know the HUGE payoff I would get from hanging around. I work in a big Assoc.,about 300 refs, and I get feedback from all kinds of refs. So it goes without saying my reffing has improved immensely.

Politically it's been a goldmine.

I totally agree CR. I love high school ball as well. I go early just to watch the JV games and offer input to that games officials if they are open to it. This was done for me when I was coming up.

Politically it can be a goldmine if you truly are doing it to better yourself and the love of the game and avocation. I've seen where it had a negative affect on a couple officials in our association who would come to the game just to be seen and leave after the halftime break/conference. Those officials often never improve but they want a better schedule so they come around the "in" veteran officials or association board members.

Chess Ref

JoeTheRef wrote
I totally agree CR. I love high school ball as well. I go early just to watch the JV games and offer input to that games officials if they are open to it. This was done for me when I was coming up.

Politically it can be a goldmine if you truly are doing it to better yourself and the love of the game and avocation. I've seen where it had a negative affect on a couple officials in our association who would come to the game just to be seen and leave after the halftime break/conference. Those officials often never improve but they want a better schedule so they come around the "in" veteran officials or association board members.

NAh I'm not one of them. I go to hang,learn stuff and talk crap with other officials. I like my schedule right now, definetly don't try to force a schedule. Heck I even started a thread here a couple of weeks ago about not moving up yet.

I even spent a night up in Nevadarefs part of the world watching their 1A regional playoffs. No payoff there other than hanging with some of our Native American friends.

grunewar

JoeTheRef wrote
I totally agree CR. I love high school ball as well. I go early just to watch the JV games and offer input to that games officials if they are open to it. This was done for me when I was coming up.

Politically it can be a goldmine if you truly are doing it to better yourself and the love of the game and avocation. I've seen where it had a negative affect on a couple officials in our association who would come to the game just to be seen and leave after the halftime break/conference. Those officials often never improve but they want a better schedule so they come around the "in" veteran officials or association board members.

Concur!! Last night after my game when I got back to the locker room, the three V refs were there and getting ready to take the floor. So I said, "so whadya think?" The Sr Official, gave me the look of "do you really want our thoughts?" and I told him, "I wouldn't have asked if I didn't want to know and improve." It was great! Certainly an eye opener! And as i've said before, while it was very critical, it wasn't done in a condescending, aloof manner - it was critical though - man oh man do I have some work to do! While my hand an arm signals and knowledge are ok - positioning and of all things hustle (that killed me to hear) were areas to work.

BillyMac

Scrapper1 wrote
I honestly didn't mean it to come across that way. It was just an honest question. Seems like he posts both of those HUGE posts in every single "pregame" thread. I was just hoping to put the idea in his head of linking to it, instead of re-posting it every single time.
Sorry if I seemed huffy, Bill.

1) No offense taken because you're one several Forum members who I really respect, and you didn't get involved in a lot of namecalling and putdowns.
2) I have various officiating topics, i.e., pregame, on my hard drive because I'm a member of my local board's training committee. I repost them because we often get new Forum members; officials, coaches, ands/or fans, who may have never seen my posts.
3) I repost them because I'm constantly changing and updating them.
4) I repost because I hope that Forum members, especially new Forum members, might take some time to critique and/or improve my posted topics.
5) If I've wasted your time, or your Forum bandwidth, I'm sorry.
6) What's the easiest way of finding, and posting, an old link? I just learned how to quote.
7) Now some of you know how I feel when I have to sift, or skip, through posts that do nothing more than involve namecalling, and putdowns. I wish that we could all agree, or disagree, posting questions, answers, citations, even opinions, all in a polite manner.

Scrapper1

BillyMac wrote
3) I repost them because I'm constantly changing and updating them.
4) I repost because I hope that Forum members, especially new Forum members, might take some time to critique and/or improve my posted topics.
5) If I've wasted your time, or your Forum bandwidth, I'm sorry.
6) What's the easiest way of finding, and posting, an old link? I just learned how to quote.

Bill, here's my humble suggestion. I think it will serve the purposes that you are trying to accomplish.

Start two new threads. Title the first one "BillyMac's Pregame Notes" and title the second one "Basketball Rule Myths". Then simply post your entire pregame in the first thread and post your entire list of myths in the second thread. Then bookmark those specific threads in your "Favorites" folder in your internet browser.

Once you've done that, you can update that specific thread every time you make a significant change to your notes or myths. You can either post the notes again in their entirety, with the changes you've made; or you can simply edit the original post in the thread. Additionally, since you'll have it bookmarked, you will be able to reference it easily to cut-and-paste the link into any related thread that you think it might be relevant to, without pasting the entire list of myths, for example.

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