Substitution Question?

footlocker

Nevada,

Good call. I originally questioned this, but you are right. It does say that all team members are bench personnel during intermission.

I had to look it up. Lpneck, check casebook 10.4.1 sit B. Also rule 5.5.1 will clear up definitions of intermission.

ChuckElias

Here's the case:

10.4.1 SITUATION B: At halftime, as the teams, coaches, and officials are making their way through a hallway to the dressing room, a Team A member verbally abuses one of the officials. RULING: A technical foul is charged to the team member and is also charged indirectly to the head coach. During intermission all team members are bench personnel and are penalized accordingly. If the conduct is flagrant, the team member shall be disqualified.

That's for FED. Interesting, but I can't find anything in the NCAA book that addresses this. I would have to say that for NCAA, you wouldn't assess this indirectly to the coach. (There is a case -- AR 4, pg. 127 -- in which a player dunks 3 times in pre-game. The player is ejected, but there's no mention of penalty to the coach.)

Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by footlocker
Nevada,

Good call. I originally questioned this, but you are right. It does say that all team members are bench personnel during intermission.

I had to look it up. Lpneck, check casebook 10.4.1 sit B. Also rule 5.5.1 will clear up definitions of intermission.

One further point on intermissions. As per R2-12-3&4, the intermission is the period when the timer is actually timing it. If the player T happens before the timer started timing the intermission, there's no indirect T charged to the head coach.

footlocker

chuck & JR,

Beat you.

ChuckElias

Originally posted by footlocker
chuck & JR,

Beat you.

Yeah, but I posted the whole case. And as I'm sure Mrs. Footlocker has told you, faster is not always better 😉

Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Originally posted by footlocker
chuck & JR,

Beat you.

And as I'm sure Mrs. Footlocker has told you, faster is not always better

Yes, she has. Several times.

My deepest apologies, Footlocker. Just don't know what comes over me sometimes. I usually blame Chuck, though, if that's any help.

footlocker

Well Chuck, kudos for your typing skills. And for the record Mrs. Footlocker was amused.

Indy_Ref

Originally posted by lpneck
Indy_Ref...

I think your head cold may be interfering with your recollection of the series of events...

A6 reported to the table as the intermission was ending and was NOT allowed to enter, because he did not beat the first horn. You administered the first FT, at which point your partner rightfully brought the substitute in because the ball had become live during the first FT, and was now dead before the second FT.

LP,

I do have the events correct...whether I have a head cold or not. I just didn't explicitly say I administered the first FT in the original post. I didn't think that point was such a big deal. The point I was trying to ask about was the substitute...whether or not time had to run off the clock BEFORE A6 could come in. I was confusing the issue that time had to come off the clock in order for A1 to return for any player on team A with when A6 could actually enter the game.

With all the T's we have in our games, I'll be an "old pro" when it comes time to figure out what to do after them!!

rainmaker

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Originally posted by footlocker
chuck & JR,

Beat you.

And as I'm sure Mrs. Footlocker has told you, faster is not always better

Yes, she has. Several times.

My deepest apologies, Footlocker. Just don't know what comes over me sometimes. I usually blame Chuck, though, if that's any help.

Footlocker --- GREAT JOB!! Definitely the post of the week!

ChuckElias

Originally posted by footlocker
Well Chuck, kudos for your typing skills.

Cut and paste, baby. Cut and paste!

And for the record Mrs. Footlocker was amused.

Again, not always a good thing. . .