Very Old Dog, New Tricks ...

bob jenkins

Freddy wrote
We've pretty much all done this around here for many years and so the NFHS just codified what we already were doing anyway. I find it much more natural and comfortable closing down quickly on a held ball, especially when bodies are down, with one hand in the air than with two hands in the air. Just felt clumsy when I tried it a while back just see what it was like. Those who don't close down quickly on a held ball but rather just stand where they are and put two hands in the air with thumbs up probably wonder what the new mechanic is all about.

What about those of us who close down and use two hands?

BillyMac

Camron Rust wrote
In Oregon, we chose to not make the change after some discussion. It doesn't solve any problem and there simply wasn't sufficient justification to make the change just to change.

Ms. Wynns really doesn't sound very passionate about the change.

The final change approved by the Basketball Rules Committee is a change in the signal when a held ball occurs. Now, when a held ball occurs, the covering official(s) shall stop the clock using Signal #2 (straight arm, open palm extended) while simultaneously sounding the whistle. “This change should help to alleviate conflicting calls by officials when a held ball occurs,” Wynns said. “We currently raise one arm to stop the clock for everything except the jump/held ball.”

Raymond

Was an easy transition for me, and I like the change for consistency's sake.

BillyMac

Raymond wrote
I like the change for consistency's sake.

One of the two reasons stated by Ms. Wynns.

JRutledge

I think it was a dumb and unnecessarily change and I have not done it very well at all and honestly do not care (Didn't do it on the Referee Magazine cover either).

Peace

BillyMac

JRutledge wrote
Didn't do it on the Referee Magazine cover either.

My nomination for Post O' The Week.

Wait? No. Post O' The Month.

BillyMac wrote
JRutledge in foreground on left. I wonder if he gave the stop clock signal first? I wonder if the photographer shot his good side?

bucky

BillyMac wrote
My nomination for Post O' The Week.

Wait? No. Post O' The Month.

I have always done it the current way. I did it incorrectly for many years and now the rules have finally caught up with me.😉

I wonder, but not for a long time, how two officials had the same signal. I also wonder how Jrut apparently got a third arm/thumb:p

JRutledge

bucky wrote
I have always done it the current way. I did it incorrectly for many years and now the rules have finally caught up with me.😉

I wonder, but not for a long time, how two officials had the same signal. I also wonder how Jrut apparently got a third arm/thumb:p

He is not showing the entire cover. There are two kids on the floor in this picture and that is the arm of one of them on the floor.

Peace

thumpferee

JRutledge wrote
He is not showing the entire cover. There are two kids on the floor in this picture and that is the arm of one of them on the floor.

Peace

Ah, he gave you an opening and you misses it!

grunewar

....and I still have a ways to go!

Started off the yr with scrimmages and got it ~ 15-20% correct. Now I think I'm up to 80-85% correct.

I find when I'm off-ball I'm more likely to get it right. However, when on-ball, and the play happens right in front of me, I'm more likely to come in quickly and want to get to the situation before it gets messy, and go to the "thumbs up" more quickly and forget the open hand.

Bottom Line - I'm gettin better!

Bad Zebra

I’m at about a 50% success rate at this point. I’m in the same camp as JRut...I find it clumsy, dumb and unnecessary. I wonder where there was such a problem with conflicting signals that this was even raised at the rules meeting. I’d file this one in the category: Solution in search of a problem.

You’d think the committee would be busy enough with arm sleeves, leg sleeves, compression shorts and tights.

JRutledge

Bad Zebra wrote
I’m at about a 50% success rate at this point. I’m in the same camp as JRut...I find it clumsy, dumb and unnecessary. I wonder where there was such a problem with conflicting signals that this was even raised at the rules meeting. I’d file this one in the category: Solution in search of a problem.

You’d think the committee would be busy enough with arm sleeves, leg sleeves, compression shorts and tights.

This to me is no different than one official calling a foul and another official calling a violation. You figure out what happens first too in those situations and you can likely only pick one anyway. Why did they have to act like a held ball was so different? Saw a game last night where officials called a timeout instead of a held ball and that did not eliminate the confusion or the controversy. Just as you stated.

Peace

Camron Rust

JRutledge wrote
This to me is no different than one official calling a foul and another official calling a violation. You figure out what happens first too in those situations and you can likely only pick one anyway. Why did they have to act like a held ball was so different? Saw a game last night where officials called a timeout instead of a held ball and that did not eliminate the confusion or the controversy. Just as you stated.

Peace

Exactly. It doesn't solve anything. In fact, it creates more confusion IMO. Before, you at least knew what your partner had with thumbs up. Now, you have no idea if it is a violation, held ball, or timeout but you still have different signals if one has a foul.

And that is why I proposed that Oregon not adopt that change and the state basketball committee agreed.

RefRich

I hate it. I feel like a newbie every time on a jump ball. Not sure why they really felt the need for this change, regardless of what Ms. Wynns states.g

Of course, I struggled with the two-hand reporting for a few games in the beginning as well. I think I've been part of a held ball only 2 times this year so far so not a lot of practice.

BillyMac

RefRich wrote
I struggled with the two-hand reporting for a few games in the beginning as well.

Me too. If I survived that, I can survive this.