NFHS End-of-Period mechanic

Raymond

I hit my whistle every time when it is my responsibility. We tell the players to play to the whistle, not to the horn.

bob jenkins

AremRed wrote
I had a partner with an interesting mechanic I had never seen before a couple months ago. Last second shot of the 3Q, player is coming in transition, pulls up for a 3, releases the ball with about .3 remaining on the clock. Clearly got the shot off in time yet when the ball is in flight and the horn sounds I hear a steady, long, whistle. Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.

Shot misses and the carom comes to me. I grab the ball and go over to my partners who are huddling. I ask if someone blew the whistle and the Trail who had been responsible for the clock said he had blown the whistle. I asked if he was going to wave off the shot and he said no, the player did release it in time. I then asked why the heck he sounded the whistle while the ball was still in flight?? and he said "the mechanics book says to hit the whistle when the horn sounds to end the quarter". One of the dumbest and least practical things I've ever heard.

I can't even find what he's talking about in either the rule or mechanics book, does anyone know what he was reading/smoking?

Is your point that he shouldn't have had a whistle? I disagree.

Is your point that he should have waited until the try was over (made or missed)? I agree.

RedAndWhiteRef

If I'm T or C opposite table, I'm hitting the whistle.

Also, if they're just dribbling the clock out and there's no shot to wave off, please don't do the "no shot" mechanic. An open palm in the air will do.

bob jenkins

RedAndWhiteRef wrote
If I'm T or C opposite table, I'm hitting the whistle.

Also, if they're just dribbling the clock out and there's no shot to wave off, please don't do the "no shot" mechanic. An open palm in the air will do.

Some places / rules sets require an "end of period" mechanic that *can* look very similar to waving off the shot, or like a double foul, or like a full (sic) time out, or like a not-closely-guarded signal.

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bob jenkins wrote
Is your point that he shouldn't have had a whistle? I disagree.

Is your point that he should have waited until the try was over (made or missed)? I agree.

Exactly this. I told him to wait until the try was missed and he said “that’s not the what it says in the book”. 😮

BillyMac

Scrapper1 wrote
... the IAABO Officials' Manual doesn't say anything about it either way.

Now it does:

2018-2019 IAABO Significant Manual Revisions

End of Quarter/Period Procedures. By rule, the game clock horn signals the end of the quarter/period unless there is a ball in flight on a try for goal. Officials should not sound the whistle to signify the end of the quarter/period unless they are ruling that the try was not released prior to the sounding of the horn.

As usual, when in Rome ...

ODog

BillyMac wrote
IAABO Significant Manual Revisions

… Officials should not sound the whistle to signify the end of the quarter/period unless they are ruling that the try was not released prior to the sounding of the horn.

This.

Definitely a when in Rome thing, obviously. Where I work, a whistle to end the period is a dead giveaway of a hack official … whereas it's clearly the exact opposite in other parts of the country.

Do as you were taught, I guess … as long as you were taught by someone good!

Nevadaref

BillyMac wrote
Now it does:

2018-2019 IAABO Significant Manual Revisions

End of Quarter/Period Procedures. By rule, the game clock horn signals the end of the quarter/period unless there is a ball in flight on a try for goal. Officials should not sound the whistle to signify the end of the quarter/period unless they are ruling that the try was not released prior to the sounding of the horn.

As usual, when in Rome ...

This mechanic is what I was taught twenty years ago and it makes sense.
The rules state that the horn ends the period, unless a try is in flight. So when there is no try to handle, what would a whistle after the horn signify? Consult your Shakespeare here. 😉

ilyazhito

It makes sense. I don't get why I am expected to blow the whistle at the end of the period with no try when I am working non-IAABO games. Is that because the whisthe is required at the end of the period in the NFHS manual, or is it just cultural expectations? I don't blow the whistle if there is no try, unless the gym I am in has no horn (usually the case for rec games). I only blow the whistle at the end of timeouts, to begin periods, or if the throw-in comes after an extended delay.

Camron Rust

Nevadaref wrote
This mechanic is what I was taught twenty years ago and it makes sense.
The rules state that the horn ends the period, unless a try is in flight. So when there is no try to handle, what would a whistle after the horn signify? Consult your Shakespeare here. 😉

It might signify that the horn was valid because at any other time when the ball sounds during play, we tell the players to ignore it and play on.

BillyMac

ilyazhito wrote
I only blow the whistle at the end of timeouts, to begin periods, or if the throw-in comes after an extended delay.

Here in my little corner of 100% IAABO Connecticut, we've recently been encouraged to sound our whistle before a free throw after a timeout. I know that it's "by the book", but not many of us do it, not now, and not over the past four decades.

BillyMac

Camron Rust wrote
It might signify that the horn was valid because at any other time when the ball sounds during play, we tell the players to ignore it and play on.

Good point. We've heard from IAABO, what does the NFHS say?

And again, when in Rome ...

frezer11

BillyMac wrote
Here in my little corner of 100% IAABO Connecticut, we've recently been encouraged to sound our whistle before a free throw after a timeout. I know that it's "by the book", but not many of us do it, not now, and not over the past four decades.

I've thought about that, but it just seems so awkward and unnecessary.

Raymond

BillyMac wrote
Here in my little corner of 100% IAABO Connecticut, we've recently been encouraged to sound our whistle before a free throw after a timeout. I know that it's "by the book", but not many of us do it, not now, and not over the past four decades.

frezer11 wrote
I've thought about that, but it just seems so awkward and unnecessary.

I do it. Especially helps when you are in venues that have DJ's or bands playing music during time-outs.

ilyazhito

BillyMac wrote
Here in my little corner of 100% IAABO Connecticut, we've recently been encouraged to sound our whistle before a free throw after a timeout. I know that it's "by the book", but not many of us do it, not now, and not over the past four decades.

Isn't that just a special case of "after a timeout"? If they are just dribbling out the clock, I don't do anything, just let the horn sound. If there is anything that looks like a shot attempt, I blow the whistle and either score the goal, blow the whistle and wave it off if it is late, or do nothing.

BillyMac

BillyMac wrote
Here in my little corner of 100% IAABO Connecticut, we've recently been encouraged to sound our whistle before a free throw after a timeout. I know that it's "by the book", but not many of us do it, not now, and not over the past four decades.

Raymond wrote
I do it. Especially helps when you are in venues that have DJ's or bands playing music during time-outs.

Good point.

BillyMac

ilyazhito wrote
Isn't that just a special case of "after a timeout"? If they are just dribbling out the clock, I don't do anything, just let the horn sound. If there is anything that looks like a shot attempt, I blow the whistle and either score the goal, blow the whistle and wave it off if it is late, or do nothing.

IAABO is very clear regarding whistles at the end of a period, and before a free throw after a timeout.

Whether we do it or not is another story for another time in another place.

2018-2019 IAABO Significant Manual Revisions
End of Quarter/Period Procedures. By rule, the game clock horn signals the end of the quarter/period unless there is a ball in flight on a try for goal. Officials should not sound the whistle to signify the end of the quarter/period unless they are ruling that the try was not released prior to the sounding of the horn.

Time Out Procedures: When a timeout is followed by a free throw, sound the whistle prior to administering the free throw.

bob jenkins

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Rich

bob jenkins wrote
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No kidding.

And nothing changes. I'll continue to blow my whistle at the end of a quarter cause it's what we do here.

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BillyMac

Rich wrote
I'll continue to blow my whistle at the end of a quarter cause it's what we do here.

As with many things discussed here on the Forum, when in Rome ...

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