How much does this matter to you?

Mregor

You think that's bad, I had a home team show up in gray jerseys (in holiday tournament game). How long has white been required now?

Terrapins Fan

If it were a technical foul for uniform violations, uniform violations would go away.

Camron Rust

Terrapins Fan wrote
If it were a technical foul for uniform violations, uniform violations would go away.

Probably not. You'd have to actually get people to call them. It is hard enough to get people to deal with them now.

BigT

camron rust wrote
probably not. You'd have to actually get people to call them. It is hard enough to get people to deal with them now.

SC Official

Mregor wrote
You think that's bad, I had a home team show up in gray jerseys (in holiday tournament game). How long has white been required now?

I’ve had a couple teams whose road color is light gray. On one occasion (in a subvarsity game) the home team asked if they could change to their black jerseys at halftime because the coach said it was too confusing (we allowed it).

There’s one girls team in my neck of the woods whose home jerseys are yellow for some reason, and they have a waiver from the state office in their scorebook. As long as the two colors are contrasting, whether the home team is wearing white or not, I’m not giving a T to the head coach.

bob jenkins

Camron Rust wrote
Probably not. You'd have to actually get people to call them. It is hard enough to get people to deal with them now.

Exhibit A:

SC Official wrote
whether the home team is wearing white or not, I’m not giving a T to the head coach.

The_Rookie

BillyMac wrote
Not so here in my little corner of Connecticut. Many officials either don't understand the rule, don't bother to look, or if they do look, don't bother to enforce it.

Especially true in girls games where many officials don't realize that underwrap wrapped around the head is a headband (thus falling under headband color restrictions), probably confusing them with hair control devices, or that "Skylar Diggins" tails are illegal.

Only a single headband may be worn on the head, and headbands are not allowed to have extensions or tails. There is a wider array of legal color options for other equipment items such as headbands, wristbands, arm sleeves, knee sleeves, lower leg sleeves, compression shorts, and tights. All of these equipment items must be the solid color black, white, beige, or the predominant color of the uniform jersey.

On the issue of the "Skylar Diggins" headband. Is the headband itself illegal or just the tails? For enforcement, do you have players remove the whole thing or just ask them to tuck in the tails and play on?

BillyMac

The_Rookie wrote
... the "Skylar Diggins" headband ... For enforcement, do you have players remove the whole thing or just ask them to tuck in the tails and play on?

Skylar Diggins (Notre Dame 2009-2013, WNBA 2013-Present), as an All-American point guard for the Notre Dame Fighting Irish popularized knotted headbands with long loose ends. In 2015, the NFHS ruled that headbands must be without extensions.

I would prefer to tell them they can't play with the "Skylar Diggins" headband, but that doesn't appear to be the standard operating procedure here in my little corner of Connecticut, so I would stick out like a sore thumb (Overly Officious Official) if I did, so I just reluctantly tell them to tuck in the tails.

The usual caveat, check your local listings.

bob jenkins

Zombie thread alert

BubbaRef

I refereed Danville several times last year and only 1 time did we have to tell that same player to take off his undershirt. He obliged and didnt have any issues.

I think some players know who they can and cant get away with things and always push the limits.

JRutledge

BubbaRef wrote
I refereed Danville several times last year and only 1 time did we have to tell that same player to take off his undershirt. He obliged and didnt have any issues.

I think some players know who they can and cant get away with things and always push the limits.

I have had Danville in the playoffs a couple years back and this was not an issue and I do not recall this player having this issue. If it was, it was certainly corrected as my partners were State Final Officials as well.

I think I was at this event but did not work this particular game. I simply do not remember for sure, but it appears this is Orr High School in Chicago (who that documentary was about on Fox) and done by officials that might not be as stringent about these things in general. If that is the case, I am not surprised this took place or might not have been corrected. But that is speculation at this time.

Peace

bucky

Generally speaking, the later in the season it is, the more I care.

Big_Blue_Wannabe

bucky wrote
Generally speaking, the later in the season it is, the more I care.

In my association, we actually make an effort to address it EARLY in the season. We have found that by doing so, we don’t seem to have to deal with it later in the year, except for with visiting teams to our area.

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Big_Blue_Wannabe

zm1283 wrote
... what is the penalty if they don't comply? Send in a report to the state? That will take weeks to correct things and who is supposed to ensure it is followed through with?

The penalty for illegal uniforms, undershirts and gear is, the player can’t play until it is corrected. You send the player to the bench and let the coach know he can’t re-enter the game until the problem has been corrected.

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BillyMac

Big_Blue_Wannabe wrote
The penalty for illegal uniforms, undershirts and gear is, the player can’t play until it is corrected. You send the player to the bench and let the coach know he can’t re-enter the game until the problem has been corrected.

Not true for an illegal uniform. A coach can "buy" his player with an illegal uniform into the game, the "expense" being a technical foul. No penalty if the team member with an illegal uniform doesn't participate, and stays on the bench the entire game.

A player with illegal equipment can't get into the game at any expense and can’t play until it is corrected.

If a team member participates as a player while wearing an illegal uniform, then a direct technical foul is charged to the head coach, who will lose the coaching box privilege for the remainder of the game. This infraction is penalized when discovered, and the team member with the illegal uniform may participate without further penalty and is not required to change the number. A maximum of one technical foul shall be charged directly to the head coach regardless of the number of offenders.

SC Official

bucky wrote
Generally speaking, the later in the season it is, the more I care.

If it is February, I assume (normally correctly) that my peers were not handling business in November. That being said, I always enforce fashion police rules, more strictly in the early season.

However, if a team has been wearing gold uniforms at home the entire season, I am not going to be the first to give a direct T to the head coach. Most likely the team has an exemption from the state anyway (there is one girls team in my area like this).

Big_Blue_Wannabe

SC Official wrote
If it is February, I assume (normally correctly) that my peers were not handling business in November. That being said, I always enforce fashion police rules, more strictly in the early season.

However, if a team has been wearing gold uniforms at home the entire season, I am not going to be the first to give a direct T to the head coach. Most likely the team has an exemption from the state anyway (there is one girls team in my area like this).

There is a team from a small village in Alaska that wears a fluorescent yellow color jersey for their home uniforms. I’m not sure how the regular season went last year as far as administering technical fouls to start the game, but at the state tournament, officials were instructed to enforce it by the book. 3 of their 4 games began with the other team receiving 2 shots and the ball. Their season ended with them being crowned State Champions - wearing their illegal uniforms.

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ilyazhito

Apply to the ASAA for a waiver, and then there would be no issue about technical fouls, if the waiver is approved. If the fluorescent yellow is the only uniforms that the team has, it's reasonable for them to play in those.

I had a private school freshman girls game where the visitors came in gray uniforms (the home team wore white), and I asked the coach if they would change to blue, to avoid confusion. The home coach agreed, and we played grey vs blue.

SC Official

ilyazhito wrote
Apply to the ASAA for a waiver, and then there would be no issue about technical fouls, if the waiver is approved. If the fluorescent yellow is the only uniforms that the team has, it's reasonable for them to play in those.

What makes you think the school didn't ask for one?

All this nonsense would end if FED would adopt the NCAA rule. But I'm sure someone will come up with a reason why the FED rule should stay.

LRZ

As of this fall, in FED soccer, visitors wear white jerseys and home team wear "dark"--defined as any color that contrasts with white. So fluorescent yellow or gold would likely be good.

By the way, the rationale for the switch is to allow home teams to wear their school colors or colors (eg, pink) for "special events." Same reasoning should apply to basketball, seems to me.

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