Three officials who aren't advancing

BillyMac

asdf wrote
Shortly after it became open mic night for some......

Well played asdf.

Not too shabby for a Forum member with only 746 posts.

Some day, you too, will become an Esteemed Forum Member, and it will probably happen sooner rather than later.

Again, well played grasshopper.

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Doug Shows did advance to the round of 32, currently refereeing the West Virginia-Marshall game. We will see if he goes further.

SC Official

AremRed wrote
Doug Shows did advance to the round of 32, currently refereeing the West Virginia-Marshall game. We will see if he goes further.

I’m pretty sure Round of 32 games are assigned before the first round.

Camron Rust

Which official called the foul?

It would be hard to hold the other two responsible if they were off ball and the calling official says #99 is my shooter.

crosscountry55

SC Official wrote
I’m pretty sure Round of 32 games are assigned before the first round.

We have this discussion every year. I think you’re right, but within the pool of officials that JD assigns to a specific opening weekend site (12), I believe he has the discretion to unassign a second round official for cause if he sees fit.

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crosscountry55 wrote
We have this discussion every year. I think you’re right, but within the pool of officials that JD assigns to a specific opening weekend site (12), I believe he has the discretion to unassign a second round official for cause if he sees fit.

Yup. Officials are always assigned to a site and officials that work round of 32 come from the 12 guys that worked the round of 64 there. I'm sure JD takes his top 48 guys and divides them up by site and then fills in the other 48. So he knows who he wants working the round of 32 beforehand, but of course he would be able to pulls Shows if he felt the error was his. Maybe JD didn't think Shows was culpable for the error or maybe didn't care. I think JD cares so I would wager Shows was found not guilty.

asdf

BillyMac wrote
Well played asdf.

Not too shabby for a Forum member with only 746 posts.

Some day, you too, will become an Esteemed Forum Member, and it will probably happen sooner rather than later.

Again, well played grasshopper.

I've been following this forum since it's inception. One doesn't need 15,000 posts to understand who posts silliness and who posts reliable information on here.

crosscountry55

asdf wrote
I've been following this forum since it's inception. One doesn't need 15,000 posts to understand who posts silliness and who posts reliable information on here.

True, but having more than 28 posts since January helps.

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Chuga

Doug Shows, Kelly Self, and Dwayne Gladden was the crew.
March Madness 2018: Auburn put wrong player on free-throw line to seal win vs. Charleston | NCAA Basketball | Sporting News[/QUOTE]

The observing official could have also alerted the 3 on court officials that the wrong player was on the line.

Kansas Ref

The ''observing official" is highly reluctant to even think of questioning the workflow decisions of the "on-court officials"; however, notwithstanding this fault, the ruse likely tricked the observer also.

bucky

Kansas Ref wrote
The ''observing official" is highly reluctant to even think of questioning the workflow decisions of the "on-court officials"; however, notwithstanding this fault, the ruse likely tricked the observer also.

Not saying you are wrong but I would think almost the exact opposite. During the pre-game, I would tell the alternate ref to watch us (3 officiating) very closely and help us avoid any mistakes. I would instruct him that he was part of the crew, needs to pay close attention to every play, and help whenever it is needed or he feels it necessary. Probably overkill but that is what I would instruct if I was the R. Perhaps they are reluctant but man, I would be angry if an alternate at the table withheld any info from me. Perhaps their duties are non-existent unless an official goes down. I do not know exactly but still, I would think if you got some intel to share, better share it.

Camron Rust

Kansas Ref wrote
The ''observing official" is highly reluctant to even think of questioning the workflow decisions of the "on-court officials"; however, notwithstanding this fault, the ruse likely tricked the observer also.

What ruse? The calling official indicated the wrong shooter. He looked away and then realized he didn't have the shooter. When he looked back, he picked the wrong one. Auburn didn't send the wrong guy to the line.

Nevadaref

Camron Rust wrote
What ruse? The calling official indicated the wrong shooter. He looked away and then realized he didn't have the shooter. When he looked back, he picked the wrong one. Auburn didn't send the wrong guy to the line.

One of the articles listed mentions that the rebounder quickly tossed the ball to his teammate after the whistle and when the official looked back after reporting the player holding the ball was identified as the shooter.
Auburn has not denied any gamesmanship in this situation.

Camron Rust

Nevadaref wrote
One of the articles listed mentions that the rebounder quickly tossed the ball to his teammate after the whistle and when the official looked back after reporting the player holding the ball was identified as the shooter.
Auburn has not denied any gamesmanship in this situation.

OK, but how many times do players drop or toss the ball away after the whistle? You've got to get a lot more than that to claim it was a ruse planned by Auburn. In all likelihood, that rebounder would have passed the ball to that player even if there hadn't been a foul since frontcourt players typically get the ball to a guard to take it down the court.

dahoopref

bucky wrote
Not saying you are wrong but I would think almost the exact opposite. During the pre-game, I would tell the alternate ref to watch us (3 officiating) very closely and help us avoid any mistakes. I would instruct him that he was part of the crew, needs to pay close attention to every play, and help whenever it is needed or he feels it necessary. Probably overkill but that is what I would instruct if I was the R. Perhaps they are reluctant but man, I would be angry if an alternate at the table withheld any info from me. Perhaps their duties are non-existent unless an official goes down. I do not know exactly but still, I would think if you got some intel to share, better share it.

From what I've been told, none of the crew (including the Alternate) moved on to this weekend.

ilyazhito

I'm surprised that no one on the crew knew the relevant rules. Do NCAA or the conferences not conduct online rules tests as a requirement to officiate college basketball? I would be surprised if the NCAA tests do not ask questions about funky situations like this.

Raymond

ilyazhito wrote
I'm surprised that no one on the crew knew the relevant rules. Do NCAA or the conferences not conduct online rules tests as a requirement to officiate college basketball? I would be surprised if the NCAA tests do not ask questions about funky situations like this.

Did not know which rule?

ilyazhito

Raymond wrote
Did not know which rule?

Raymond, the OP referred to a situation where the ball remained stuck in the basket (it went in the ring, but failed to pass through the net) but the officials chose not to count the basket. By rule, they should have, and this is what created the whole controversy.

Raymond

ilyazhito wrote
Raymond, the OP referred to a situation where the ball remained stuck in the basket (it went in the ring, but failed to pass through the net) but the officials chose not to count the basket. By rule, they should have, and this is what created the whole controversy.

Oh, ok. I should have went back to the beginning of the thread.

And no, that question was not, and as far as I can remember, ever been on the preseason NCAA-Men's test.

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