Dead ball - how many bases?

Rich Ives

Insane Blue wrote
If the 3rd baseman had the ball go off the glove without any possession then 2 bases from the time of the throw.

If there was any possession and then they lost it and it goes into dead ball territory then it is 1 base

Is that some strange softball rule?

IRISHMAFIA

Rich Ives wrote
Is that some strange softball rule?

It is an allowance for when a defender attempts to tag a runner and looses possession of the ball. IOW, it wasn't a thrown ball

josephrt1

Insane Blue wrote
If the 3rd baseman had the ball go off the glove without any possession then 2 bases from the time of the throw.

If there was any possession and then they lost it and it goes into dead ball territory then it is 1 base

An interesting difference in ASA/USA is that a thrown ball going out of play is 2 bases from position of runner at the time ball left the fielder's hand.

On loss of possession that goes out of play, it is one base from position of the runner at the time the ball left the field.

CecilOne

jmkupka wrote
Semi-hijack:

If it is the offense's gate that is improperly open, do we return runners to last base touched at the time it entered DBT? at the time of throw?

Treat it like a blocked ball?

No.

IRISHMAFIA

josephrt1 wrote
An interesting difference in ASA/USA is that a thrown ball going out of play is 2 bases from position of runner at the time ball left the fielder's hand.

On loss of possession that goes out of play, it is one base from position of the runner at the time the ball left the field.

Same in HS & NCAA

MT 73

Rich Ives wrote
Is that some strange softball rule?

USA rule.
I am not sure if other codes have this rule.
Another weird one--if a fielder takes the ball into a dugout to tag a runner who missed the plate this is not considered intentionally taking a ball out of play and is only a one base award.

teebob21

MT 73 wrote
USA rule.
I am not sure if other codes have this rule.
Another weird one--if a fielder takes the ball into a dugout to tag a runner who missed the plate this is not considered intentionally taking a ball out of play and is only a one base award.

This one makes sense. The fielder didn't intend to take the ball out of play to kill the play, she did it to make a play. Unfortunately, she screwed up and everyone else gets another base.

robbie

MT 73 wrote
USA rule.
I am not sure if other codes have this rule.
Another weird one--if a fielder takes the ball into a dugout to tag a runner who missed the plate this is not considered intentionally taking a ball out of play and is only a one base award.

For what its worth....

In NSA this is considered an intentional carry with 2 base award.

jmkupka

CecilOne wrote
No.

Why would the offense be rewarded with a free 2-bases if they improperly left their gate open, especially if this is covered pre-game?

Rich Ives

jmkupka wrote
Why would the offense be rewarded with a free 2-bases if they improperly left their gate open, especially if this is covered pre-game?

Because out of play is out of play.

IRISHMAFIA

jmkupka wrote
Why would the offense be rewarded with a free 2-bases if they improperly left their gate open, especially if this is covered pre-game?

Why isn't it the umpire's fault for putting the ball into play without the gate closed? 🙂