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I see your point. But it was not designated as a dead ball area. It was a safety rule that if a batted ball went beyond that line the fielder didn't have to play it. If a fly ball was CAUGHT out there, it was an out. If for some odd reason a ball was thrown past that line, it was live.
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And I've seen both in baseball and softball fields where there is no fence in the outfield, and we play all-you-can-get if the ball just goes and goes. Most rule sets I'm familiar with set no max limit on how far a fence can extend from home plate (ASA is an exception). Most books list a recommended distance. Even OBR says fences can be "XXX feet or more". So if a field has no fence, why the need for a line?
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It is either in play or it is out of play. Who would think? There is no provision in ANY rules book for a grounds rule single or a grounds rule triple.
As an aside, it is not a "ground" rule, but a "grounds" rule. It's a matter of correct terminology.
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And if you go to the MLB website and click on the OFFICIAL INFO link, under the Umpires link you will find the listing of MLB stadiums' respective ground rules, not grounds rules. If MLB calls them ground rules on their official info site, sounds like that's the correct terminology.
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Which rule are you referring to?
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NFHS on ground (not grounds) rules
Rule: 4-1 ART. 3 . . . Ground Rules. If there are unusual conditions, such as spectators or obstacles too near the playing field, the home coach shall propose special ground rules. If sanctioned by the visiting team, these shall be in force. If the teams cannot agree, the umpires shall formulate ground rules. Ground rules shall not supersede a rules book rule.
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Proper nomenclature
It's all a matter of proper nomenclature. MLB, ASA, USSSA Fastpitch Softball, NFHS Softball, and NFHS Baseball all agree that it is properly called a ground rule, not a grounds rule. These are all of the references I have readily at-hand.
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Seems to me we're talking about E, and not D here, and E says nothing about number of bases the ground rule must be.
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No, but thats because the rules already say what the rules are for batted/thrown/pitched/carried balls into the dead ball area.
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Then why does E mention a ground rule at all?
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My guess it is to address "non-standard" dead ball boundaries.
We had an unfenced field at a city park that the rule was "chase it until you get it" unless the ball went into a soccer goal that was in deep right field, in which case it was a dead ball and a double.
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