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Thu Aug 14, 2003, 09:58pm
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Slow pitch playoff final tonight between two top teams, both stacked with local heroes who play for various strong tournament teams.
You're BU. Runner on 1B, no outs. Fifth inning, score is 18-17. Batter hits hard one-hopper to F6, who throws to F4 in plenty of time for the force out. F4 sets up and catches the ball with his left foot 8 to 10 inches to the 1B side of 2B, and his right foot 8 to 10 inches to the opposite side of the base. As he threw for the out at 1B, he made no attempt to touch 2B, and did not touch 2B, with either foot. What would your call have been at 2B?
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Thu Aug 14, 2003, 10:03pm
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Are you asking if we believe in the vicinity type call? No. I have never bought in to that. Caused a lot of grief back in the days when I did call slow pitch, but I would have had the safe at second and out at first call!
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Thu Aug 14, 2003, 10:36pm
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Fri Aug 15, 2003, 05:52am
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Fri Aug 15, 2003, 07:27am
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greymule,
Before I view any other answers... "SAFE" Should be no such thing as in the vicinity. If we are to call it that way, then we would have to determine who was closest, runner or defender. JMHO glen
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Fri Aug 15, 2003, 07:29am
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Have now viewed the other post and see that most agree.
Touch'em for the out, miss'em and I [we] got nothing. glen
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glen _______________________________ "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." --Mark Twain.
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Fri Aug 15, 2003, 11:09am
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No abandonment or anything crazy like that. When I saw F4 set up with neither foot near 2B, I made sure to watch his feet until he released the ball to 1B. He came no closer than he was when he caught the throw from F6. It was obvious. Not one of those cases where he might have scraped the bag as he threw, or where one foot was planted so near the bag you couldn't quite tell for sure. So I made the call: "Out at first, safe here [pointing to 2B]. Not on the bag."
All four outfielders vociferously objected. F6 and the coach asked that I get help from the PU, which I refused. F4 didn't yell, but he did say something like, "You gotta give me that play. Nobody makes that call." The offense got several more runs that inning (with 2 out), so naturally I heard the grumbling about how I was robbing them, how all the runs now scoring were mine, how they have to play against 11 guys, etc. They kept up the whining for another inning or so, and the next time they had a force at 2B, F6 made sure he stomped on the bag. The team that claimed victim status eventually won the game and the playoff championship, 33-27 in 9 innings. (Too bad. They were visitors and the home team failed on golden opportunities to win in the 7th and 8th.) I slept well, though. Had I called it the other way, I wouldn't have.
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greymule More whiskey—and fresh horses for my men! Roll Tide!
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Fri Aug 15, 2003, 12:10pm
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If you "give" something to one team, you are denying the other of that level playing field. BTW, obviously since you did make the call, the players claim that "nobody" makes that call is false 
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Fri Aug 15, 2003, 12:14pm
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greymule,
Just tell'em to look in the official score keepers book. How was it recorded. Good call. glen
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Fri Aug 15, 2003, 01:32pm
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Glad to see a play where we all agree! Fortunately, no MLB on this forum.
BTW, 1) Why in the world would F4 set up with his left foot in front of the runner and then stay there? 2) You said "All four outfielders vociferously objected". Outfielders only exist when: a) they make a catch b) we have to duck one of their throws 3) At least he admitted it (F4 didn't yell, but he did say something like, "You gotta give me that play. Nobody makes that call.")
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