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stiffler3492 Fri Sep 07, 2012 05:59pm

Kickoff Out of Bounds
 
On a kickoff, a member of the kicking team touches the ball BEFORE the ball rolls out of bounds at the receiving team's 12 yard line.

The ball was kicked from the receiving team's 30 yard line because of the enforcement of apparently two personal foul penalties.

Where should the ball be spotted, first and ten?

HLin NC Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:05pm

R 12 yl

maven Sat Sep 08, 2012 06:26pm

Kick out of bounds, 3 options.

stiffler3492 Sat Sep 08, 2012 06:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by maven (Post 853717)
Kick out of bounds, 3 options.

I don't officiate football. I was watching the sophomore game that preceded the varsity game that I was broadcasting.

Could someone explain a little more thoroughly?

mtn335 Sat Sep 08, 2012 07:11pm

What he means by "Three Options" is that, if K (the kicking team) causes the ball to go out-of-bounds on a free kick (like a kickoff), then R (the receiving team) has three options. They can:
  • Have the ball 1st and 10 at the spot where the ball went out of bounds (in this case, R's 12 yard line)
  • Have the ball 1st and 10 at a spot 25 yards downfield from the free-kick line (the kick was from the 30, so in this case that would be R's 5 yard line); or
  • Enforce a 5-yard penalty from the previous spot and rekick (now from R's 35 yard line).

maven Sat Sep 08, 2012 07:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtn335 (Post 853721)
What he means by "Three Options" is that, if K (the kicking team) causes the ball to go out-of-bounds on a free kick (like a kickoff), then R (the receiving team) has three options. They can:
  • Have the ball 1st and 10 at the spot where the ball went out of bounds (in this case, R's 12 yard line)
  • Have the ball 1st and 10 at a spot 25 yards downfield from the free-kick line (the kick was from the 30, so in this case that would be R's 5 yard line); or
  • Enforce a 5-yard penalty from the previous spot and rekick (now from R's 35 yard line).

Just so. Sorry, I was in a hurry and didn't have time to explain.

Usually the choice is obvious: in this case, I'd give the coach his options and let him choose. Probably won't pick option 2, but he might go with either of the other options.

stiffler3492 Sat Sep 08, 2012 09:05pm

Here's what happened...

The ball was spotted at the R 35 yard line, 1st and 10 for the receiving team. Misapplication?

maven Sat Sep 08, 2012 09:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 853735)
Here's what happened...

The ball was spotted at the R 35 yard line, 1st and 10 for the receiving team. Misapplication?

Yes. They might have thought that was the option, rather than mtn335's correctly stated option 2. The R35 is 25 yards from the K free kick line prior to a penalty.

mtn335 Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:51am

Quote:

Originally Posted by maven (Post 853736)
Yes. They might have thought that was the option, rather than mtn335's correctly stated option 2. The R35 is 25 yards from the K free kick line prior to a penalty.

It's a common mistake to make, and not particularly surprising for a sub-JV game (where rookies patrol the sidelines and new white-hats earn their spurs). It's pretty easy to forget simply because, since a vast majority of free kicks occur at the K-40, the vast majority of free-kick-out-of-bounds fouls will have an option to place the ball at the R-35.

But yes, it was a misapplication. :p

maven Sun Sep 09, 2012 06:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtn335 (Post 853750)
It's pretty easy to forget simply because, since a vast majority of free kicks occur at the K-40, the vast majority of free-kick-out-of-bounds fouls will have an option to place the ball at the R-35.

Another reason I encourage rookies to learn the rules, not the shortcuts.

JRutledge Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 853735)
Here's what happened...

The ball was spotted at the R 35 yard line, 1st and 10 for the receiving team. Misapplication?

Are you talking college or high school?

Peace

BktBallRef Sun Sep 09, 2012 01:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 853799)
Are you talking college or high school?

Peace

"I was watching the sophomore game that preceded the varsity game that I was broadcasting."

HLin NC Sun Sep 09, 2012 01:14pm

Sounds as if they applied the option available when the kick was normally made from the K40.


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