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Old Wed Sep 30, 2009, 09:35am
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Bizarre ending should actually have been touchback, right?

See this article...

Alert play leads to bizarre ending in Vermont football game - MaxPreps Articles

Now, I've worked varsity FB for a few years now, and every time we pre-game, we discuss that any punt or FG attempt that crosses the goal line dead and considered a touchback. After reading the article, can we safely assume that somebody botched this one or am I really missing something?
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Old Wed Sep 30, 2009, 09:41am
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Bashing officials is frowned on at this forum you know!
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Old Wed Sep 30, 2009, 09:44am
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Do we know what rule code applies? NCAA and NFHS are different on this point, I believe.
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Old Wed Sep 30, 2009, 09:45am
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Bashing officials is frowned on at this forum you know!
Did you miss the part where I clearly stated that I'm a varsity football official?

I'm not bashing, I'm asking for clarification for my own education and to make sure I'm not missing something.

Just because you've never seen me of the football forum doesn't mean that I'm coming on here and official bashing. Paranoid much?
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Old Wed Sep 30, 2009, 09:46am
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I've yet to see any video that shows the ball breaking the vertical plane of the goal line. I have heard conflicting reports on whether or not it did. I'll reserve judgement until I see conclusive video.
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Old Wed Sep 30, 2009, 09:47am
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Do we know what rule code applies? NCAA and NFHS are different on this point, I believe.
The article says it was a high school game, so I assume NFHS unless anybody knows if VT uses NCAA rules... That could make sense I guess...
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Old Wed Sep 30, 2009, 09:47am
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If you really want to dissect this thing, we have an illegal forward pass as well!! Of course, if it was described correctly in the paper, that is ignored because, as was said before, breaks the plane, call it dead. But htbt.
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Old Wed Sep 30, 2009, 09:49am
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Just because you've never seen me of the football forum doesn't mean that I'm coming on here and official bashing. Paranoid much?
He's a coach who got lambasted by someone for publicly criticizing his game officials in violation of the NFHS Coaches Code of Ethics. After taking his ball and stomping away for the NFHS forum, it's his new schtick to point out anytime anyone criticizes officiating on other forums.
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Old Wed Sep 30, 2009, 09:50am
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According to this site, Vermont uses NFHS rules.
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Old Wed Sep 30, 2009, 10:02am
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Video of the play:

Leon Lett Is Finally Off The Hook - Oops - Deadspin

I cannot see that the ball clearly crossed the goal line from that angle. One of the officials should have rushed forward to the goal line to make sure the ball did not break the plane.

The spike also appears to have travelled backwards.

Until I see an angle that clearly shows the ball crossing the line, I say it's a touchdown.
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Old Wed Sep 30, 2009, 10:11am
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Until I see an angle that clearly shows the ball crossing the line, I say it's a touchdown.
I agree. Here's a still of the catch, and it looks as if the receiver is NOT in the endzone. The front pylon is behind the receiver.

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Old Wed Sep 30, 2009, 10:21am
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Hard to tell from the video if ball was in EZ. According to the article it was in the EZ and if so the ball is dead as soon as it breaks the plane.
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Old Wed Sep 30, 2009, 10:24am
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Bashing officials is frowned on at this forum you know!
John: bashing officials isn't frowned upon. Naming names, dates, places is frowned upon.
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Old Wed Sep 30, 2009, 10:27am
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well the article in the OP definitely names names.
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Old Wed Sep 30, 2009, 10:32am
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well the article in the OP definitely names names.
it names the name of the alert player who scooped it up and ran it for a touchdown (kudos for him, he deserves to be named), not the name of the player who goofed by spiking the ball.

you really are a troll, aren't you?

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