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rockchalk jhawk Wed Sep 30, 2009 09:35am

Bizarre ending should actually have been touchback, right?
 
See this article...

Alert play leads to bizarre ending in Vermont football game - MaxPreps Articles

Now, I've worked varsity FB for a few years now, and every time we pre-game, we discuss that any punt or FG attempt that crosses the goal line dead and considered a touchback. After reading the article, can we safely assume that somebody botched this one or am I really missing something? :confused:

bigjohn Wed Sep 30, 2009 09:41am

Bashing officials is frowned on at this forum you know!:rolleyes:

mbyron Wed Sep 30, 2009 09:44am

Do we know what rule code applies? NCAA and NFHS are different on this point, I believe.

rockchalk jhawk Wed Sep 30, 2009 09:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 628038)
Bashing officials is frowned on at this forum you know!:rolleyes:

Did you miss the part where I clearly stated that I'm a varsity football official?

I'm not bashing, I'm asking for clarification for my own education and to make sure I'm not missing something.

Just because you've never seen me of the football forum doesn't mean that I'm coming on here and official bashing. Paranoid much? :rolleyes:

InsideTheStripe Wed Sep 30, 2009 09:46am

I've yet to see any video that shows the ball breaking the vertical plane of the goal line. I have heard conflicting reports on whether or not it did. I'll reserve judgement until I see conclusive video.

rockchalk jhawk Wed Sep 30, 2009 09:47am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 628039)
Do we know what rule code applies? NCAA and NFHS are different on this point, I believe.

The article says it was a high school game, so I assume NFHS unless anybody knows if VT uses NCAA rules... That could make sense I guess...

a4caster Wed Sep 30, 2009 09:47am

If you really want to dissect this thing, we have an illegal forward pass as well!! Of course, if it was described correctly in the paper, that is ignored because, as was said before, breaks the plane, call it dead. But htbt.

InsideTheStripe Wed Sep 30, 2009 09:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockchalk jhawk (Post 628040)
Just because you've never seen me of the football forum doesn't mean that I'm coming on here and official bashing. Paranoid much? :rolleyes:

He's a coach who got lambasted by someone for publicly criticizing his game officials in violation of the NFHS Coaches Code of Ethics. After taking his ball and stomping away for the NFHS forum, it's his new schtick to point out anytime anyone criticizes officiating on other forums.

mbyron Wed Sep 30, 2009 09:50am

According to this site, Vermont uses NFHS rules.

Bullycon Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:02am

Video of the play:

Leon Lett Is Finally Off The Hook - Oops - Deadspin

I cannot see that the ball clearly crossed the goal line from that angle. One of the officials should have rushed forward to the goal line to make sure the ball did not break the plane.

The spike also appears to have travelled backwards.

Until I see an angle that clearly shows the ball crossing the line, I say it's a touchdown.

mbyron Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:11am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bullycon (Post 628049)
Until I see an angle that clearly shows the ball crossing the line, I say it's a touchdown.

I agree. Here's a still of the catch, and it looks as if the receiver is NOT in the endzone. The front pylon is behind the receiver.

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3...90930at110.png

whitehat Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:21am

Hard to tell from the video if ball was in EZ. According to the article it was in the EZ and if so the ball is dead as soon as it breaks the plane.

kdf5 Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:24am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 628038)
Bashing officials is frowned on at this forum you know!:rolleyes:

John: bashing officials isn't frowned upon. Naming names, dates, places is frowned upon.

bigjohn Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:27am

well the article in the OP definitely names names.

rockchalk jhawk Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 628057)
well the article in the OP definitely names names.

it names the name of the alert player who scooped it up and ran it for a touchdown (kudos for him, he deserves to be named), not the name of the player who goofed by spiking the ball.

you really are a troll, aren't you?

http://alanisgood.com/wp-content/upl...eed_trolls.jpg


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