http://forum.officiating.com en Thu, 09 Sep 2010 16:24:31 GMT vBulletin 60 http://forum.officiating.com/images/misc/rss.jpg http://forum.officiating.com http://forum.officiating.com/football/59040-crew-referee-mechanics-penalty-enforcement.html Wed, 08 Sep 2010 14:10:43 GMT I am looking for some tips on the steps to go through when administering penalties. As the Referee on my newly formed crew, I feel we are hurrying... I am looking for some tips on the steps to go through when administering penalties. As the Referee on my newly formed crew, I feel we are hurrying too much and are not communicating properly with the sidelines and captains. Any suggestions?

I have seen the R/U/Wings meet at the dead ball spot to discuss the enforcement. Is this standard procedure?

When and where do you give the preliminary signal?

Does it change if the R is the one who called the foul?

What should the other crew members (5 man) being doing during this time?

Thanks for your help. ]]> Football john_faz http://forum.officiating.com/football/59040-crew-referee-mechanics-penalty-enforcement.html http://forum.officiating.com/football/59039-ncaa-game-clock.html Wed, 08 Sep 2010 12:55:21 GMT On a FG attempt, when does the game clock stop (by rule)? When the ball crosses the back line of the end-zone? When it hits the ground beyond the... On a FG attempt, when does the game clock stop (by rule)?

When the ball crosses the back line of the end-zone? When it hits the ground beyond the end-zone? When the whistle blows (what if it can't be heard in the booth)? Other? ]]> Football bob jenkins http://forum.officiating.com/football/59039-ncaa-game-clock.html http://forum.officiating.com/football/59036-no-whistle-fg.html Tue, 07 Sep 2010 17:46:28 GMT Situation last weekend: A lines up for FG. Unlike on a PAT (when I have the whistle in my mouth and blow it dead soon as ball is kicked)) I... Situation last weekend:

A lines up for FG. Unlike on a PAT (when I have the whistle in my mouth and blow it dead soon as ball is kicked)) I always have whistle in my hand and telling myself "this is just like a punt." You guessed it. the FG was blocked. I began back peddling with the ball, R #4 scoops it up and in a moment of hesitation, stops, looks at me and is about to toss the ball to me (thinking he could not return it..maybe he thought it was a PAT or brain locked..who knows). my eyes got big with this..."NO I DON'T WANT THE BALL" look on my face. #4 realizes he can advance the ball, takes off and would have scored had he not slowed down initially and given K time to catch him.

two things entered my mind:
1. Always glad I do not officiate with my whistle in my mouth (exept on kicking formation on PAT) and was thankful that I reminded myself as I waited for the snap I told myself to treat this just like a punt.

2. Thought what if the kid did toss me the ball? I hopefully would have resisted the urge to catch it and instead let it bounce off my chest remaining live...

situations like this can create some discussion and learing so have at it... ]]> Football whitehat http://forum.officiating.com/football/59036-no-whistle-fg.html http://forum.officiating.com/football/59035-spot-enforcement.html Tue, 07 Sep 2010 17:06:03 GMT I have one: The line of scrimmage is the 30 of B. Quarterback for A is in the pocket on the 37 when he is grabbed by the earhole of the helmet and... I have one: The line of scrimmage is the 30 of B. Quarterback for A is in the pocket on the 37 when he is grabbed by the earhole of the helmet and his head is twisted. He is subsequently tackled on the 35.

Is there a penalty, if so, for what? Where is the enforcement spot?

We flagged for "face-masking" and marked of 15 from the spot of the foul (ie 37) to make it 1st and 10 on the 22.

This is a high school game. ]]> Football bkdow http://forum.officiating.com/football/59035-spot-enforcement.html http://forum.officiating.com/football/59032-glenvile-oh-vs-dwyer-florida-hs-game-tv.html Tue, 07 Sep 2010 06:21:31 GMT Did anyone see the highlights for this game on Sportscenter tonight... Did anyone see the highlights for this game on Sportscenter tonight... ]]> Football movingthechains http://forum.officiating.com/football/59032-glenvile-oh-vs-dwyer-florida-hs-game-tv.html http://forum.officiating.com/football/59031-overtime-carry-over.html Tue, 07 Sep 2010 04:28:55 GMT A makes FG and roughing the kicker is called. When they accept penalty, to be carried over to B's possesion, is it 1st and 10 from the 25 or 1st and goal from the 25? ]]> Football wyo-referee http://forum.officiating.com/football/59031-overtime-carry-over.html http://forum.officiating.com/football/59030-punt-behind-nz.html Mon, 06 Sep 2010 23:41:39 GMT This happened to us the other night - K's ball 4th and 10 at their 40. Punt is straight up, hit the ground beyond the NZ, bounced back behind the NZ, comes to rest @37. K comes up, touches the ball, R comes in, picks it up and scores. We never blew it dead. Was that right? ]]> Football BroKen62 http://forum.officiating.com/football/59030-punt-behind-nz.html http://forum.officiating.com/football/59028-ncaa-fb-play-clock.html Mon, 06 Sep 2010 17:21:32 GMT A running play ends near the line to gain. R signals for the clock to stop for a measurement. At the same time another official signals for the... A running play ends near the line to gain. R signals for the clock to stop for a measurement. At the same time another official signals for the clock to stop because of an injured defensive player.

Does the play clock get set to 25 (for the measurement) or 40 (for the injured defensive player)? Does it matter which official signals first, or which stoppage is the last to be cleared? ]]> Football bob jenkins http://forum.officiating.com/football/59028-ncaa-fb-play-clock.html http://forum.officiating.com/football/59020-mhsaa-trick-question.html Sun, 05 Sep 2010 05:14:12 GMT K is attempting a field goal. Holder muffs the snap and the kicker kicks the ball off the ground through the uprights. Choices A.Successful Field... K is attempting a field goal. Holder muffs the snap and the kicker kicks the ball off the ground through the uprights. Choices
A.Successful Field Goal
B. Foul for an Illegal kick; if the penalty is accepted, penalize 15 yards from the spot of the foul and replay the down. If the penalty is declined the field goal is good.
C. Foul for an illegal kick; if the penalty is accepted, penalize 15 yards from the spot of the foul and replay the down. If the penalty is declined, the result of the play is a touchback by virtue of the illegal kick.
D. None of the above.

I feel the right answer is C, but thinking D because of the fact it is a touchback because of the illegal kick going into the end zone not the kick itself.

Any help would be appreciated. ]]> Football U52 http://forum.officiating.com/football/59020-mhsaa-trick-question.html http://forum.officiating.com/football/59018-defense-encroachment-called-too-late.html Sun, 05 Sep 2010 02:40:50 GMT Fed Rules. In a varisity game, a newer official called defensive encroachment as a live ball foul after the play has started. Obviously, this is... Fed Rules.

In a varisity game, a newer official called defensive encroachment as a live ball foul after the play has started. Obviously, this is a dead-ball foul using NFHS rules and the play SHOULD have been shutdown. After the play, the crew discussed how to enforce the penalty. On the play, the runner gained three yards. The crew enforced this as a live ball foul from the previous spot and replayed the down.

This happens quite often with newer officials at the lower levels. How would you enforce (or not) this in a varsity game? ]]> Football verticalStripes http://forum.officiating.com/football/59018-defense-encroachment-called-too-late.html http://forum.officiating.com/football/59014-fed-equipment-rule-help.html Sat, 04 Sep 2010 16:21:41 GMT I am looking for a little help on the rules regarding cleats/shoes for Fed ball. I am not a football guy but I am trying to help out a family who... I am looking for a little help on the rules regarding cleats/shoes for Fed ball.
I am not a football guy but I am trying to help out a family who has a son that is starting to play.
The coach has told these kids a few strange things and I want to help this family avoid buying some shoes that the kid may not be able to actually use.

Any help or if possible a quote from the rule book as to shoes and cleats would be greatly appreciated. ]]> Football scottk_61 http://forum.officiating.com/football/59014-fed-equipment-rule-help.html http://forum.officiating.com/football/59012-spot-foul-penalties.html Sat, 04 Sep 2010 03:20:42 GMT Just wanting to know a list of the spot foul penalties. When officials throw their flags are they always throwing them at the spot where the foul... Just wanting to know a list of the spot foul penalties. When officials throw their flags are they always throwing them at the spot where the foul occoured?

One more thing. Regarding clock stoppage near the sidelines. Obviously the clock stops if a players goes out on his own. What if he's forced out by a defender? ]]> Football Official http://forum.officiating.com/football/59012-spot-foul-penalties.html http://forum.officiating.com/football/59008-some-light-entertainment-badly-written-nfhs-test-questions.html Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:10:38 GMT By badly written I'm guessing the official answers will vary from what they should be, based on the question written.

I'll start:

All T or F:

In a section on Rules Changes:

Q: When a foul occurs during a down in which a touchdown is scored, as in rules 8-2-2, 8-2-3, 8-2-4, and 8-2-5, the succeeding spot, at the option of the offended team, may be the subsequent kickoff.

Q: The hash marks shall be marked so that they bisect the yard lines. ]]> Football RichMSN http://forum.officiating.com/football/59008-some-light-entertainment-badly-written-nfhs-test-questions.html http://forum.officiating.com/football/59007-winding-stopping-clock.html Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:07:27 GMT NFHS Minnesota only In Minnesota, there was emphasis about cleaning up how we wind and stop the clock. Specifically they made reference in the... NFHS Minnesota only

In Minnesota, there was emphasis about cleaning up how we wind and stop the clock. Specifically they made reference in the online rules, not to wind the clock on a first down inbounds before stopping the clock for the first down to reset the chains. Just stop the clock. Then with the chains reset the R will wind the clock.
1st and 10. A1 catches a 5 yard pass near the sideline but is driven back and out of bounds. I give no signal but the clock operater stops the clock thinking the receiver was out of bounds. Can we wind this to indicate forward progress and inbounds, thus keeping the clock running?
I realize the clock operator made a mistake, but it isn't a problem for me to wind the clock. It's all about communication, right? ]]> Football phansen http://forum.officiating.com/football/59007-winding-stopping-clock.html http://forum.officiating.com/football/59006-enforcement.html Fri, 03 Sep 2010 10:25:27 GMT Wanted to know where the enforcement was from. Sit.:

Free kick. K kicks to R and during the return K1 & R1 each commit a USC foul. R2 was downed at K's 10 yard line. I think this was enforced wrong. ]]> Football cdoug http://forum.officiating.com/football/59006-enforcement.html