Sunglasses Technical Foul

[bballref3966]

Originally Posted by Adam

And a preseason scrimmage is perfect for this. AC gets to learn a lesson in behavioral expectations, essentially, for free.

+1. Scrimmages are the perfect opportunity to 1) stress new rules (10-6-12) and 2) set standards for behavior that will not be tolerated once the season starts. I did both last night. Again, why coaches misbehave in scrimmages is beyond me, but use it as a teaching opportunity if it does happen.

As an aside, we do not get paid for scrimmages in South Carolina.

[walt]

Whack when he jumps up and then heave ho when he throws the glasses. As others have said, you are not really second guessing this are you?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

First of all, I do not have high tolerance for misbehavior in scrimmages.

Not only was the T warranted, but I think you may have even waited too long. You could've called it the second the AC jumped out of his seat. ACs do not get to question calls and jump off the bench. Period.

Call it as soon as he jumps out of his seat to protest. Then he throws the sunglasses. He's gone in my game.

Any time something is thrown to the ground in disgust, that is a T. See Coach K in the ACC final last year.

You beat me to it.

MTD, Sr.

[grunewar]

I too probably would have whacked him earlier. Assistants are to be seen, not heard.

Originally Posted by Rich

We get paid for scrimmages here.

Not in my little corner of VA, unfortunately.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I too probably would have whacked him earlier. Assistants are to be seen, not heard.

Not in my little corner of VA, unfortunately.

Why would ANYONE take crap in a scrimmage where they aren't being paid? We're doing them a favor.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Not in my little corner of VA, unfortunately.

Not a chance in the world I am working a game at any level for free other than camp games. I would not be available for scrimmages. No way am I leaving work early or taking away from family time to work a game for free.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

Why would ANYONE take crap in a scrimmage where they aren't being paid? We're doing them a favor.

We work them free here, they appreciate it. I'm pretty sure any crap would be shut down by the HC before I had to deal with it.

[bballref3966]

Originally Posted by rich

why would anyone take crap in a scrimmage where they aren't being paid? We're doing them a favor.

+1

[kstiles99]

No, I am not second guessing the T, I am just asking your opinions on this situation... I mean how many Ts have you given for an AC throwing the shades?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I wasn't there, of course, but I'm not sure there was any reason to speak to the head coach about this.

In a preseason scrimmage, I may talk to the head coaches to see if they want to actually shoot the free throws.

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Not a chance in the world I am working a game at any level for free other than camp games. I would not be available for scrimmages. No way am I leaving work early or taking away from family time to work a game for free.

Here, newer officials have the chance to officiate at pre-season scrimmages for experience and feedback from veteran officials and/or association trainers.

Last year, I signed up for the two-person Saturday scrimmage so I could get feedback on my strengths and areas of improvement. I found the experience largely positive.

The following weekend, my assignor asked me to attend a scrimmage where he'd do something similar with his first and second-year officials. I wasn't expecting it to be a varsity scrimmage given the fact some of the officials had yet to officiate an actual game.

At that scrimmage, I had a coach disagree with a no-call and tell me "Blow the d--- whistle." I immediately whacked him... only to have my partner and the veteran official tell me after the period ended that I shouldn't be T'ing coaches at a scrimmage. I wouldn't let a coach do it in a game, and I don't see why a scrimmage should be any different in that regard.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Stat-Man

Here, newer officials have the chance to officiate at pre-season scrimmages for experience and feedback from veteran officials and/or association trainers.

Last year, I signed up for the two-person Saturday scrimmage so I could get feedback on my strengths and areas of improvement. I found the experience largely positive.

The following weekend, my assignor asked me to attend a scrimmage where he'd do something similar with his first and second-year officials. I wasn't expecting it to be a varsity scrimmage given the fact some of the officials had yet to officiate an actual game.

At that scrimmage, I had a coach disagree with a no-call and tell me "Blow the d--- whistle." I immediately whacked him... only to have my partner and the veteran official tell me after the period ended that I shouldn't be T'ing coaches at a scrimmage. I wouldn't let a coach do it in a game, and I don't see why a scrimmage should be any different in that regard.

Here we work scrimmages for a weekend out of goodwill, it's a standard, and most are expected to give it a few games. There is no way, absolutely none, that I would accept any grief from any coach or player in those games.

[kstiles99]

Originally Posted by Adam

Here we work scrimmages for a weekend out of goodwill, it's a standard, and most are expected to give it a few games. There is no way, absolutely none, that I would accept any grief from any coach or player in those games.

Agreed, but this is my first year as an official... And I'm 16 :/

Coaches do not have any problems giving me the business up and down the court. If I T 'em for this every time, there won't be any coaches on the floor, and my assignors will take notice, give me grief, and probably pull my assignments.

On the other hand, If I let bench personnel walk all over me, my games quickly turn to crap. It's hard being a rookie

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by kstiles99

Agreed, but this is my first year as an official... And I'm 16 :/

Coaches do not have any problems giving me the business up and down the court. If I T 'em for this every time, there won't be any coaches on the floor, and my assignors will take notice, give me grief, and probably pull my assignments.

On the other hand, If I let bench personnel walk all over me, my games quickly turn to crap. It's hard being a rookie

Ignore statements (Except for them screaming at you), answer questions...do that and you'll be on the right track.

[BillyMac]

We get paid for all scrimmages here in Connecticut. $50.00 each (two officials), or $33.00 each (three officials, with one official rotating out every period), for six periods (maximum of two hours).

Years ago we used to volunteer, and sign up, for scrimmages. Most were free, some paid a small stipend (twenty bucks for gas, laundry, lunch), some gave us pizza, grinders, T-shirts, etc.. Then our state interscholastic sports governing body made some changes because many sports (not basketball, but sports like field hockey, lacrosse, etc.) were having a difficult time getting officials to work their scrimmages, so now all scrimmages, for all sports, are paid, and all are assigned by assignment commissioners, in the same manner as games.