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Old Wed Oct 15, 2014, 02:52pm
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Over an entire season both Official A and Official B have an overall 90% rating for call accuracy.

Official A is 95% accurate in the last minute of games.

Official B is 85% accurate in the last minute of games.

Who do you think will be more favorable in the eyes of the supervisor?
I'm replying to this since you deleted or edited the post I replied to just a minute ago.

And again... I agree with what you're saying, but this doesn't mean it's okay to call a play differently at the end of the game than at any other time during the contest.

Being scrutinized more for calls at the end of a game does not mean it's okay to kick earlier calls. It just means your going to catch more flak for the ones you miss at the end.
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Old Wed Oct 15, 2014, 03:24pm
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I'm replying to this since you deleted or edited the post I replied to just a minute ago.

And again... I agree with what you're saying, but this doesn't mean it's okay to call a play differently at the end of the game than at any other time during the contest.

Being scrutinized more for calls at the end of a game does not mean it's okay to kick earlier calls. It just means your going to catch more flak for the ones you miss at the end.
Some people like to look at it as "I'm calling the game the same in the last 2 minutes as I did in the first 38 minutes".

I like looking at it as "I want to call the game in the first 38 minutes with the same concentration as I do in the last 2 minutes"

Our goal is to be consistent throughout the game, no doubt. But I know we all makes mistakes. I also know I need to be at my absolute best when we are in crunch time. So (in my mind) I know I'm going to be on top of my game in the last 2 minutes. My goal is to elevate the first 38 minutes to the same level of excellence that I have in the last 2 minutes.
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Old Wed Oct 15, 2014, 03:26pm
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Some people like to look at it as "I'm calling the game the same in the last 2 minutes as I did in the first 38 minutes".

I like looking at it as "I want to call the game in the first 38 minutes with the same concentration as I do in the last 2 minutes"

Our goal is to be consistent throughout the game, no doubt. But I know we all makes mistakes. I also know I need to be at my absolute best when we are in crunch time. So (in my mind) I know I'm going to be on top of my game in the last 2 minutes. My goal is to elevate the first 38 minutes to the same level of excellence that I have in the last 2 minutes.
Agreed.

Except that I'm a high school official, so there are only 32 minutes in my games.
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Old Fri Oct 17, 2014, 06:14am
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We had a statewide mechanics clinic a few weeks ago. A state interpreter, from another New England State, discussed making a call out of one's primary coverage area (two person game).

He said to:

1) Be late. Give your partner a chance to make the call.

2) Be right. 100% certain.

3) Be needed. A call that has to be made in that game.
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Old Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:08am
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We had a statewide mechanics clinic a few weeks ago. A state interpreter, from another New England State, discussed making a call out of one's primary coverage area (two person game).

He said to:

1) Be late. Give your partner a chance to make the call.

2) Be right. 100% certain.

3) Be needed. A call that has to be made in that game.

The first two are solid. The third is a gray area.
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Old Fri Oct 17, 2014, 12:15pm
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The first two are solid. The third is a gray area.
1+2=3

If you are late and gave your partner a chance to get the call
Plus
if you are right and 100% certain
equals
You are needed and it is good for the game.
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Old Fri Oct 17, 2014, 12:57pm
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How do you determine if a call is "needed"? If it's the right call then I believe you should make it.

And I would hope you'd have a good reason as to why you were looking outside of your PCA in the first place. A supervisor may want to know.
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Old Fri Oct 17, 2014, 01:16pm
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How do you determine if a call is "needed"? If it's the right call then I believe you should make it.

And I would hope you'd have a good reason as to why you were looking outside of your PCA in the first place. A supervisor may want to know.
Not needed: ball handler in the trail's primary lifts his pivot foot prior to dribbling but doesn't really go anywhere. Tail could call this, but doesn't. Lead had a great view and nails it.
That's the call that's not needed.
Needed: By sticks his leg out and trips A1 as he drives around B1 at the 3 point line in trail's primary. Tail doesn't call it, but the lead comes up and gets it. That needed to be called.

The threshold is somewhere in the middle, and knowing where it is at any given time is a key to bring a great official.
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Old Fri Oct 17, 2014, 02:21pm
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How do you determine if a call is "needed"? If it's the right call then I believe you should make it.
Do you call exactly the same way in a close game that you do in a blowout? Do you call exactly the same way in a varsity game between two good teams and a 3rd grade game between the last and second to last place teams?
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Old Fri Oct 17, 2014, 10:59pm
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Not needed: ball handler in the trail's primary lifts his pivot foot prior to dribbling but doesn't really go anywhere. Tail could call this, but doesn't. Lead had a great view and nails it.
That's the call that's not needed.
Needed: By sticks his leg out and trips A1 as he drives around B1 at the 3 point line in trail's primary. Tail doesn't call it, but the lead comes up and gets it. That needed to be called.

The threshold is somewhere in the middle, and knowing where it is at any given time is a key to bring a great official.
I understand what you're saying, but there's more that goes into a call/non-call than the actual play. I mean... what time of game is it? Is the game close? Are we talking about kids that are still learning, and don't need a ref that's a stickler for the rules?

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Do you call exactly the same way in a close game that you do in a blowout? Do you call exactly the same way in a varsity game between two good teams and a 3rd grade game between the last and second to last place teams?
Like I said to Adam, there are many factors that go into what needs to be called and what doesn't. But we didn't seem to be talking about a 3rd grade game between the bottom two teams in the league. At least I don't have any supervisors at those games, as the league tends to be happy just to have a competent ref.

Nor did anyone say that we're talking about a blowout. I took things as them occurring under "normal" circumstances. If you want to change the scenario in order to make a point... fine. I'm wrong.
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Old Sat Oct 18, 2014, 11:33pm
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The manner in which such issues are processed by professional refs is referred to as "game management". This is essentially a cognitive approach to officiating as will be influenced by the game's situation and time, the competitive balance, and dare I say in this forum the temerity of the officiating crew.
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