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Old Tue Sep 30, 2014, 11:37pm
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Old Wed Oct 01, 2014, 12:32am
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Young???

Are you younger than almost 63?

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Old Wed Oct 01, 2014, 12:57am
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Are you younger than almost 63?

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Obviously, young is a relative term, but when does "young" end for you? I think I'm closer to 63 (I'm 55) than I am to young.
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Old Wed Oct 01, 2014, 06:53am
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Are you younger than almost 63?

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Mark, I wouldn't mind going back a few years to almost 63. Instead, I converted to Celsius. I am now 18.3. Feeling great again! Well, almost.
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Old Wed Oct 01, 2014, 08:40am
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Assuming the clock properly started when A2 grabbed the rebound and the ball was at B1's disposal following the basket, the error for the FT at the wrong basket is no longer correctable.
When the ball is at B1's disposal, wouldn't that be the first dead ball after the clock has properly started? Therefore, the error can be corrected as long as it's caught before B1 inbounds the ball. Right?
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Old Wed Oct 01, 2014, 08:54am
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When the ball is at B1's disposal, wouldn't that be the first dead ball after the clock has properly started? Therefore, the error can be corrected as long as it's caught before B1 inbounds the ball. Right?
Rule 6-1-2, my friend...

The ball becomes live when:
a. On a jump ball, the tossed ball leaves the official's hand(s).
b. On a throw-in, it is at the disposal of the thrower.
c. On a free throw, it is at the disposal of the free thrower.


...with a little 4-4-7 throw in...

A ball is at the disposal of a player when it is:
a. Handed to a thrower or free thrower.
b. Caught by a player after it is bounced to him/her.
c. Placed on the floor at the spot.
d. Available to a player after a goal and the official begins the throw-in count.
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Old Wed Oct 01, 2014, 09:07am
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Rule 6-1-2, my friend...

The ball becomes live when:
a. On a jump ball, the tossed ball leaves the official's hand(s).
b. On a throw-in, it is at the disposal of the thrower.
c. On a free throw, it is at the disposal of the free thrower.


...with a little 4-4-7 throw in...

A ball is at the disposal of a player when it is:
a. Handed to a thrower or free thrower.
b. Caught by a player after it is bounced to him/her.
c. Placed on the floor at the spot.
d. Available to a player after a goal and the official begins the throw-in count.
So my post is moot without changing it to say the error was recognized by the officials as soon as the ball went threw the basket on A2's shot, and before the ball was at the disposal of one of Team B's members for a throw in.

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Old Wed Oct 01, 2014, 10:48am
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Mark, I wouldn't mind going back a few years to almost 63. Instead, I converted to Celsius. I am now 18.3. Feeling great again! Well, almost.

That means I am 17.2, and I am just about to start my second semester of my senior year of high school.

The funning thing is as an engineer I have long promoted the conversion in the U.S. from the English system to the Metric system to no avail.

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Old Wed Oct 01, 2014, 01:01pm
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So my post is moot without changing it to say the error was recognized by the officials as soon as the ball went threw the basket on A2's shot, and before the ball was at the disposal of one of Team B's members for a throw in.

Nuts.

Oh, and thanks.
Trying to sort through ...
Assuming the error is correctable (recognized before as you describe here) then is the consensus that:

1) Score the goal for A2 (officials permitted players to go in wrong direction, so this is not a "wrong goal" shot).
2) A1 shoots replacement free throw at the correct basket with lanes cleared
3) Resume at POI which is an end line throw-in for B following the scored goal by A2.

Assuming the error is not correctable (as in original post):
1) Score the goal for A2 (officials permitted players to go in wrong direction, so this is not a "wrong goal" shot).
2) Resume play going in the correct direction with end line throw-in for B following the scored goal by A2.
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Old Wed Oct 01, 2014, 01:14pm
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Trying to sort through ...
Assuming the error is correctable (recognized before as you describe here) then is the consensus that:

1) Score the goal for A2 (officials permitted players to go in wrong direction, so this is not a "wrong goal" shot).
2) A1 shoots replacement free throw at the correct basket with lanes cleared
I don't think you can have both of those.

Either:

(a) the officials allowed everyone to go the wrong way -- the FT is missed, A2's basket counts for A, line everyone up and go the right way with a throw in for B, or

(b) the FT was at the wrong end -- A re-shoots at the right end, A2's basket counts for B, A gets a throw-in.
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I converted to Celsius. I am now 18.3.
That's 291.45 Kelvin.
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That's 291.45 Kelvin.

You just made me old again.

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Old Wed Oct 01, 2014, 10:01pm
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I don't think you can have both of those.

Either:

(a) the officials allowed everyone to go the wrong way -- the FT is missed, A2's basket counts for A, line everyone up and go the right way with a throw in for B, or

(b) the FT was at the wrong end -- A re-shoots at the right end, A2's basket counts for B, A gets a throw-in.
I agree, the two options are at variance and cannot be "co applied" , so please select either a or b?
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Old Thu Oct 02, 2014, 12:02pm
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Rule 2.10.4 states that the free throw and the activity during it (except for unsporting, flagrant, intentional, and technical fouls) shall be cancelled. However, when the basket was made by A2 the free throw had ended, so this section doesn't apply.

Rule 2.10.5 states that points scored, consumed time, and additional activity, which may occur prior to the recognition of the error, shall not be nullified. Therefore the basket by A2 counts.
This is an apparent discrepancy that deserved a full solution. And if I don't hit on it here, someone please forward a more correct attempt to set the record straight once and for all.

My idea: Add the word "legitimately" between "points" and "scored" in 22-10-5. In other words, erroneously scored points, like when wrong FT shooter makes a FT or a FT is shot into the wrong basket, those points are indeed nullified. However, if, during the allowable time frame between a correctable error and the discovery of it, if a basket was legitimately scored, that score would not be nullified.

Would that resolve the conundrum that exists in the OP?
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Old Thu Oct 02, 2014, 01:17pm
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This is an apparent discrepancy that deserved a full solution. And if I don't hit on it here, someone please forward a more correct attempt to set the record straight once and for all.

My idea: Add the word "legitimately" between "points" and "scored" in 22-10-5. In other words, erroneously scored points, like when wrong FT shooter makes a FT or a FT is shot into the wrong basket, those points are indeed nullified. However, if, during the allowable time frame between a correctable error and the discovery of it, if a basket was legitimately scored, that score would not be nullified.

Would that resolve the conundrum that exists in the OP?
I don't think that helps. The points by A2 (the rebounder) were indeed "legitimately scored" -- but depending on which path you take, they were either scored for A or for B.
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