Tickle the Shooter's Belly/Torso During a Try for A Goal

[Kansas Ref]

Originally Posted by CountTheBasket

There is no such thing as marginal contact on a jump shooter--if he hits him, I call it.

*Exactly, I concur...that is why I told that player to "just play defense the normal way, the way your coach taught you--hands extended up and time your jump to block or contest that shot".

[Kansas Ref]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Just please don't refer to it as the "tummy" again, its weird. And if its any type of jab its a foul. If it is just fingertips or very light, then nothing.

*Authors of these posts are free to use any terminology they choose, be it as "tummy", "abdomen", "torso", or any other term--be it of a strictly anatomical distinction (i.e., abdomen/torso) or colloquial origin (i.e., tummy, belly). I think we all know what each other means--just sayin...

*We are not sure what you mean by saying "any type of jab is foul, but just a light finger tip, then nothing"--appears glaringly contradictory.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

After your late morning nap?

Sometime between my post-breakfast nap and my pre-lunch nap. Being a retired structural engineer is a demanding job.

MTD, Sr.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Q. Why is the defender doing this? A. because s/he thinks it will affect the shot (and s/he's right -- just try to shoot with a little jab in the stomach -- even if it doesn't affect that shot, it will affect the form on the next).

Q. Is this legal defensive positioning or incidental contact? A. No.

So -- it's illegal contact that gives an advantage. Sure sounds like the definition of "foul" to me.

Exactly. They're doing it for no other reason than to affect the shooter - illegally - on that shot and future attempts.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by CountTheBasket

There is no such thing as marginal contact on a jump shooter--if he hits him, I call it.

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

*Exactly, I concur...that is why I told that player to "just play defense the normal way, the way your coach taught you--hands extended up and time your jump to block or contest that shot".

What is this "marginal contact"? I can't find it.

Contact on a shooter may be incidental, or it may be a foul. And yes, there are plenty of cases where you'll have incidental contact on a jump shooter: even if a jab to the stomach isn't one of those cases.

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

..."just play defense the normal way, the way your coach taught you--hands extended up and time your jump to block or contest that shot".

You say all this?

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by Adam

What is this "marginal contact"? I can't find it.

I'm with you on this. I heard a D1 supervisor use this in talk during a camp. Some may see it as picking nits but I think it's important.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rooster

I'm with you on this. I heard a D1 supervisor use this in talk during a camp. Some may see it as picking nits but I think it's important.

I know what's generally meant: contact which may or may not be a foul depending on circumstances. I get that. The problem is, many confuse the term and start using it where "incidental" is more appropriate and defined.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by CountTheBasket

There is no such thing as marginal contact on a jump shooter--if he hits him, I call it.

This

+1

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Toren

This

+1

You call any and all contact on a jump shooter?

[JMUplayer]

If you never played high level playground basketball this is done REGULARLY there... that's where it comes from.

Now being a very good jump shooter it does affect a jump shot just by a matter of inches.... believe me

You have to call this at the high school level.....
On the concrete....you play through it

Originally Posted by Adam

You call any and all contact on a jump shooter?

While shooting? Yeah. After the release before he has returned to the floor? No, I consider incidental/marginal/illegal contact.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AremRed

While shooting? Yeah. After the release before he has returned to the floor? No, I consider incidental/marginal/illegal contact.

Interesting. Is this for all jump shooters everywhere? Just the ones shooting from the arc? Anyone outside the lane?

I'll agree that the threshold for advantage moves a little on a jump shooter from a greater distance, but contact on someone who is shooting is still subject to the incidental contact rule.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Rooster

I'm with you on this. I heard a D1 supervisor use this in talk during a camp. Some may see it as picking nits but I think it's important.

If you want to work for a D1 (or even a D2 or D3) supervisor, it is something you need to know, whether it is in the book or not.

But marginal contact doesn't have anything to do with this particular situation.

They get one "I see what your trying to do", and then anything subsequent gets a whistle. I am not going with an IF though, no more than I would if they were jabbing at the shooter's elbow, arm, or wrist.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Adam

You call any and all contact on a jump shooter?

Originally Posted by Adam

Interesting. Is this for all jump shooters everywhere? Just the ones shooting from the arc? Anyone outside the lane?

I'll agree that the threshold for advantage moves a little on a jump shooter from a greater distance, but contact on someone who is shooting is still subject to the incidental contact rule.

100% of the time, no. But, the threshold moves more than just a little bit for jump shooters, it moves a lot for me.